**Official** County Cricket 2018

[wpdavid]

I think you're getting offended way too easily mate.

Not what I said mate.

 

[Starfighter]

Not what I said mate.

Then you need to work on your clarity and content of your responses.

 

[wpdavid]

Harsh words from Lanky,

https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics...complete_and_utter_mystery_to_lancashire.html

Said with sadness rather than anger as I read them. It's a shame, but it's hard to see him coming back from here.

 

[wpdavid]

Then you need to work on your clarity and content of your responses.

Nope, they're fine thanks. Most people seem to cope, anyway.

 

[fredfertang]

Said with sadness rather than anger as I read them. It's a shame, but it's hard to see him coming back from here.

Much as I admired Chappy the bowler he hasn't impressed me as a coach - if you look at Hameed's record this season you'll find that just about every (in fact very possibly without exception) dismissal has been bowled, lbw and the occasional caught behind so he's clearly missing straight ones, unlike the bloke I watched batting most of the day at Lord's a couple of years ago - surely that suggests a technical issue doesn't it?

 

[wpdavid]

Much as I admired Chappy the bowler he hasn't impressed me as a coach - if you look at Hameed's record this season you'll find that just about every (in fact very possibly without exception) dismissal has been bowled, lbw and the occasional caught behind so he's clearly missing straight ones, unlike the bloke I watched batting most of the day at Lord's a couple of years ago - surely that suggests a technical issue doesn't it?

Sounds like it. Whether Chappell is the best person to coach an opening batsman is maybe questionable, but I don't know a huge amount about the coaching setup at Lancashire. It sounds like Hameed was doing better when being coached by his dad.

 

[fredfertang]

Sounds like it. Whether Chappell is the best person to coach an opening batsman is maybe questionable, but I don't know a huge amount about the coaching setup at Lancashire. It sounds like Hameed was doing better when being coached by his dad.

Inclined to agree, and of course he's only human, so probably has a complete crisis of confidence as well now - as for Chappy he's certainly, as you'd expect, done a good job with Tom Bailey, so perhaps I should direct my ire more towards Mark Chilton, who is presumably the batting specialist

 

[cpr]

Considering how awful our batting has been in general its hard to give any support to Chilton keeping his job. Might be he's the last of an old guard not seen in the game much anymore, the old MGS student who's been coached from 11 in that style, and can't get his message across to people from a different walk of life. Correct form and technique is possibly so ingrained in him he struggles to describe it to someone who's forgot it.
Wonder if Mal Loye fancies a journey back up north....

 

[fredfertang]

Considering how awful our batting has been in general its hard to give any support to Chilton keeping his job. Might be he's the last of an old guard not seen in the game much anymore, the old MGS student who's been coached from 11 in that style, and can't get his message across to people from a different walk of life. Correct form and technique is possibly so ingrained in him he struggles to describe it to someone who's forgot it.
Wonder if Mal Loye fancies a journey back up north....

Decent shout that, although I suspect the job is more likely to go to Steven Croft

 

[FBU]

Inclined to agree, and of course he's only human, so probably has a complete crisis of confidence as well now - as for Chappy he's certainly, as you'd expect, done a good job with Tom Bailey, so perhaps I should direct my ire more towards Mark Chilton, who is presumably the batting specialist

Hameed likes it in the 2nd XI
4 matches 420 runs at 84.00 HS 183*

Allott - 'Hameeds' form is a mystery'. If we had a decent batting coach it wouldn't be a mystery.
Leading run scorer in Lions tour to the WI at the beginning of the year, although that isn't saying much considering all the batsmen had trouble against Cornwall and Warrican.
Trott would be a good batting coach. Pity we missed out on Stuart Law as a head coach.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Trott would be a good batting coach.

Would be amazing if Warwickshire didn't employ him in that role should he want to go into coaching.

 

[FBU]

Would be amazing if Warwickshire didn't employ him in that role should he want to go into coaching.

He would be better as a batting coach than Ramprakash with England. For now he is a scout for Smith. Maybe involved with the Lions.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

He would be better as a batting coach than Ramprakash with England. For now he is a scout for Smith. Maybe involved with the Lions.

Well I don't think many people think Ramprakash is any good as coach. The fact we have a former flaky temperamental bloke in charge of a flaky temperamental batting line up says it all.

 

[cpr]

Decent shout that, although I suspect the job is more likely to go to Steven Croft

He's not hung up his bat has he? Reckon he's still got a fair whack to give in the short forms to be focusing on coaching, and he wasn't exactly a top class batsmen either. Loye at least was proven enough as a top rung county batsman, but also had enough fire and drive to want to be more - that's what we need to rub off on the current lot.

Sadly struggling to think of any decent batsmen we've produced within the county in recent memory. Probably going back to the likes of Athers and Fairbrother, but the latter I suspect is doing a fair service in being an agent to want to go back to coaching

 

[Starfighter]

Dom Bess for **** up of the year?

 

[fredfertang]

He's not hung up his bat has he? Reckon he's still got a fair whack to give in the short forms to be focusing on coaching, and he wasn't exactly a top class batsmen either. Loye at least was proven enough as a top rung county batsman, but also had enough fire and drive to want to be more - that's what we need to rub off on the current lot.

Sadly struggling to think of any decent batsmen we've produced within the county in recent memory. Probably going back to the likes of Athers and Fairbrother, but the latter I suspect is doing a fair service in being an agent to want to go back to coaching

I'm sure I read somewhere that the Hampshire game would be his last, but can't find it now - it's possible I imagined it, as I seem to be having an increasing number of senior moments

 

[theegyptian]

I'd be interested to hear your views on Ollie Pope, if you've watched much of him. I see he's just helped himself to a run-a-ball hundred against a pretty decent Essex attack. His fifth FC ton, I think, which isn't bad before his 21st birthday.

EDIT
And gone. Serves me right really.

Broadly similar to what the press said after his tests. He's a bit loose at present (especially to bat 4) but obviously has a load of natural talent. IMO he'll need to learn to be a bit tighter allround if he wants to succeed at international level. Obviously he's only 20 so got plenty of time.

The biggest obstacle to his progress is the logjam of players who want to bat in the 5-7 (and Root at 4) spots who aren't going to be dropped (Ali, Stokes, Buttler, Bairstow). Ideally Pope would be brought into the team at 6 and left to develop there where he has some protection and gradually move up the order if he was successful - but that's very hard to do with the players England have- so I don't quite know how it's going to work.

 

[theegyptian]

The lions stuff has been poor the last few years at producing cricketers.

Guys like Joe Clarke, Livingstone, Gubbins, Lawrence seem stuck on the treadmill, and maybe even going backwards.

The guys who've been scoring big runs in championship cricket in recent years are those who haven't been on a lions tours to that point - Burns and Pope (2018), Stoneman(2017), Jennings(2016), Gubbins(2016), Hameed(2016), Duckett(2016), Hameed(2016).

The bowlers who go on the lions tours are particularly injury prone. TRJ, Mahmood, Garton, Gleeson, Crane, (Coughlin - not bowling related injury though). All last winter were with the lions, all injured this year for large parts of the summer.

The guys called up to the England test squad this winter from outside. Burns, Pope, Stone, Denly- None of them played lions cricket last winter. Only really Jennings (and SCurran a little) benefited from it and he'd already played test cricket (and is lucky to be selected for this winter)

Almost suggest it's better not to be selected for the lions. Although those who've gone in with no lions cricket to the full setup haven't exactly prospered.

Somethings going wrong imo. I do think it's quite a tough schedule. If you play a full county season then have a tour before and after christmas as they did last year. Leaves very little down time or preparation for the county season. Either playing cricket or training nearly 12 months a year. Possibly a coaching issue too.

From what I've seen they've only got one tour this winter and it's pre christmas so that might be a step in the right direction.

 

[Starfighter]

I have a suspicion that the Lions being really crap and Andy Flower coaching them are not not linked.

 

[igorbalis]

That Maure, Yorkshite etc stuff is offensive, but only insomuch as it's ****ing hacky unfunny **** for *****. It's the kind of thing that should have been consigned to the dustbin with bbc's 606 message board.