Why does Pakistan traditionally produce better fast bowlers than India?

[srbhkshk]

Its just peak stats
Kapil had better 50 test peak as a batsman than this 54.
Admittedly for a shorter period.

Let it go mate.

The basic flaw in your argument is this -

You believe Kapil was the better bowler when Imran was the better batsman - that's not true,It's true that Imran bowled less during those times - but he was still the better bowler, that's not something that ever changed. And the times when Kapil can reasonably be argued to be a better batsman - Imran was a vastly superior bowler.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Let it go mate.

The basic flaw in your argument is this -

You believe Kapil was the better bowler when Imran was the better batsman - that's not true,It's true that Imran bowled less during those times - but he was still the better bowler, that's not something that ever changed. And the times when Kapil can reasonably be argued to be a better batsman - Imran was a vastly superior bowler.

First part
May be, but his avg is 30 something.. Thats not Regular Imran. Statistically Kapil was better. And I am not concerned about that part actually.

2nd part.
Imran was vastly superior with ball. Kapil clearly better batsman. Imo. Only when you combine Both phases of Imran, it becomes reasonably arguable.

Actually, I started to rate Kapil even higher after all these arguments. Whenever I check his stats it is better than my expectation.
Previously i put 50 test peak stats for him, but just now i found its better if stretched to 55 tests between 81 and 87.
77 innings, 2507 runs, 36.33avg, 4 100s, 15 50s

Its ok. I made my point already.
I am repeating same points, because everyone else doing the same.. They had only one reason "Average is higher".

 

[ankitj]

Dude, give it up seriously. With every post fewer and fewer people are reading what you are posting. Imran was a vastly superior cricketer than Kapil. End of.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Dude, give it up seriously. With every post fewer and fewer people are reading what you are posting. Imran was a vastly superior cricketer than Kapil.

No one said otherwise

 

[OverratedSanity]

Dude, give it up seriously. With every post fewer and fewer people are reading what you are posting. Imran was a vastly superior cricketer than Kapil. End of.

Quite true. But I don't think arguing purely that Kapil was a marginally better batsman than Imran should be a hugely controversial opinion even if you disagree with it.

 

[ankitj]

Quite true. But I don't think arguing purely that Kapil was a marginally better batsman than Imran should be a hugely controversial opinion even if you disagree with it.

Sure, but arbitrary slicing of batting record is a bad way to make that argument.

 

[vcs]

If I were PFK, I would come at it from the "I followed their careers and stats don't tell the true story" angle. Dunno if that's the case with him.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

If I were PFK, I would come at it from the "I followed their careers and stats don't tell the true story" angle. Dunno if that's the case with him.

I started watching cricket around 1994.

 

[TheJediBrah]

If I were PFK, I would come at it from the "I followed their careers and stats don't tell the true story" angle. Dunno if that's the case with him.

that's a great angle because you can use it to support literally anything regardless of how true it is

 

[the big bambino]

As a pure batsman, it counts.
Not when its a combination of bat and ball.

Ok.
For example
Mr. X
First 50 tests
000 runs, 300wkts at an avg of 20
Last 50 tests
5000 runs at 60 avg, 000 wkts

Total Career
100 tests, 5000 runs, 300wkts

Will you select Mr. X as your allrounder in an 11?

Interesting. After reviewing this my ratings are:

1) Imran
2) Mr. X
3) Daylight
4) Kapil Dev.

 

[stephen]

Even if we accepted that Kapil was the very best Asian fast bowler of all time (which he never was), going back to the original question, why does Pakistan produce better quicks than India, Kapil notwithstanding? There are literally around 8-10 Pakistan quicks who are better than the second best Indian quick.

From the top of my head:

Imran
Wasim
Waqar
Akhtar
Mahmood
Asif (idiocy notwithstanding)
Amir (ditto)
Nawaz

 

[jimmy101]

Khan Mohammad might possibly make that list also.

The next best Indian quick after Kapil would be a toss up between Zaheer, Srinath, Amar Singh & Mohammad Nissar. However, in a few more years, some of the current crop of Indian quicks may very well surpass these blokes.

IMO Srinath is the second best ever Indian pacer.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Interesting. After reviewing this my ratings are:

1) Imran
2) Mr. X
3) Daylight
4) Kapil Dev.

Procter better than all 4 though

 

[Migara]

Even if we accepted that Kapil was the very best Asian fast bowler of all time (which he never was), going back to the original question, why does Pakistan produce better quicks than India, Kapil notwithstanding? There are literally around 8-10 Pakistan quicks who are better than the second best Indian quick.

From the top of my head:

Imran
Wasim
Waqar
Akhtar
Mahmood
Asif (idiocy notwithstanding)
Amir (ditto)
Nawaz

Aaqib Javed

 

[OverratedSanity]

Amir and Sarfraz are not better pacers than Kapil

 

[ankitj]

Amir and Sarfraz are not better pacers than Kapil

And Aqib Javed, lol. Srinath is better than all of them.

 

[srbhkshk]

Aaqib Javed

Mohammad Sami.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Mohammad Irfan

I bet Kapil never bowled a full T20 spell that only went for 1 run

 

[cnerd123]

Mohammad Irfan

I bet Kapil never bowled a full T20 spell that only went for 1 run

Mohammad Irfan putting his experience bowling in the HK Sixes to good use. Hope to see him here again this October. Lovely guy too, by all accounts.

 

[smash84]

Yeah dire stuff putting Aqib Javed ahead of Kapil.