Starfighter
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Is this a... never mind.
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CW chooses the best test spinner ever (50 names, but you only submit a list of 20)
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the big bambino
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Australian bowlers have an relatively easier time with OS batsmen who may not be used to our wickets whereas OS spinners are dealing with local players who have given bowlers like Warne a hard time. I'd reckon its still a hard place for home grown spinners to bowl. Just not as comparatively difficult as it is for touring spinners. Of course the argument doesn't account for guys like Doherty.
Starfighter
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I'm curious, in what way?
OverratedSanity
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Warne averaged almost 30 in Australia post 2000 ftr
the big bambino
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Because he was utter crap in any conditions.
TheJediBrah
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Mind-boggling that Doherty was one of the guys selected for Australia while O'Keefe was ignored
On that note I'd have O'Keefe ahead of a lot the bowlers on these lists, if we're judging more so on skill rather than international achievements
On that note I'd have O'Keefe ahead of a lot the bowlers on these lists, if we're judging more so on skill rather than international achievements
Starfighter
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Ah, so you're saying that the argument says that he was better than his figures made out. Gotcha.
How the hell did he play test cricket?
vic_orthdox
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Sydney was less of a spinning wicket post-2000 than what it was beforehand, which had brought the spinners into play in Australia a bit more in a home series in the 1990s.
I think the slowness of the drop in at MCG also made it harder for spinners to be as effective as they might have been beforehand, allowing batsmen to adjust when beaten. The fact that Warne was a different bowler in the 2000s - relying less on massive rip and having to wrangle and coax wickets a bit more - also played a role. He was able to be more of a threat overseas because the wickets were generally more helpful.
vic_orthdox
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Oh holy ****
the big bambino
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Nope. Just that he was crap.
Starfighter
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You've misinterpreted me. I'm agreeing with your argument that the idea that spinners have it tough here (and hence average worse than they might) doesn't apply to Doherty because he's just plain bad.
harsh.ag
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Nope, no bias there
Borges
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This is turning out to be the most enjoyable thread on CricketWeb that I've ever seen. Please do continue, everyone.
TheJediBrah
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Nope just an opinion based on stats and experience. If you disagree that's fine but there's no need to be childish about it.
Also love how everyone jumps to "must be bias". I'm the guy who's been bagging Nathan Lyon (rightly or wrongly) for the last 5+ years. It's not bias, just an opinion.
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fredfertang
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Warne
O'Reilly
Murali
Grimmett
Verity
Laker
Gupte
Rhodes
Ashwin
Chandrasekhar
Prasanna
Blythe
Bedi
Tayfield
Herath
Qadir
Wardle
Underwood
Gibbs
Swann
O'Reilly
Murali
Grimmett
Verity
Laker
Gupte
Rhodes
Ashwin
Chandrasekhar
Prasanna
Blythe
Bedi
Tayfield
Herath
Qadir
Wardle
Underwood
Gibbs
Swann
harsh.ag
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Didn't say nationalistic bias, dumbass.
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morgieb
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Worth noting in the 2000's Warne averaged 29 at home but 22 away from home. That is a significant gap.
