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Cricinfo Best Test 11 from last 25 years

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A bat deep all time XI could still contain strong enough bowlers.

Sachin Tendulkar
Adam Gilchrist+
Viv Richards
Virat Kohli
AB DeVilliers
Andrew Symonds
Shakib Al Hasan
Chris Cairns
Kapil Dev
Wasim Akram
Shaun Pollock
Do people here believe Shakib is a better allrounder than Jayasuriya or Afridi? In limited overs, their bowling pedigree is similar while Jayasuriya's batting is far better. Just have Jayasuriya or Afridi in this team for Shakib and it gives the batting a menacing look.
 

trundler

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He's on another plane of existence. One day you may be lucky enough to ascend there, and then you'll understand his posts.
Ah, foolish of me to think it's just rubbish posting, instead of simply acknowledging that Miyagi is 2smort4us*


*cricket neckbeard
 

Mr Miyagi

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Do people here believe Shakib is a better allrounder than Jayasuriya or Afridi? In limited overs, their bowling pedigree is similar while Jayasuriya's batting is far better. Just have Jayasuriya or Afridi in this team for Shakib and it gives the batting a menacing look.
Jayasuriya vs Shakib is tough. In the end I went with Watto over Symonds. But all 4 are ATG ODI cricketers IMO.

Afridi with the bat in tests was better and more of a challenge to these four than he was in ODI where he went he berserk too soon. IMO.

If anyone of the 5 appears in an ATG team, I don't judge the player but the team, but Afridi's batting is the weakest of the 5.
 
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Jayasuriya vs Shakib is tough. In the end I went with Watto over Symonds. But all 4 are ATG ODI cricketers IMO.

Afridi with the bat in tests was better and more of a challenge to these four than he was in ODI where he went he berserk too soon. IMO.

If anyone of the 5 appears in an ATG team, I don't judge the player but the team, but Afridi's batting is the weakest of the 5.
IMO Shakib's a long way off
 

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Shakib vs Afridi makes sense but not the other 2. Shakib's batting is a bit meh and Afirid's batting was, conversely, WTF.
 

Mr Miyagi

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IMO Shakib's a long way off
He's really not. Jaya had Aravinda, Kalu, Sanga, Dislhan, Sanga Tilikiratne, et a; in batting with more like Attaptau and Gurusinghe, but who does Shakib have, Mr pro-bat-down-low Mahumudullah? If you focus on batting strength of the team, Shakib jumps up places - how many is upto you. On bowling - Shakib is going damn cheap in this money ball generation with only Mustafizur of yesterday in support - just look at SRH on roads let alone Banglawashes.
 
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Shakib's ODI averages:

Opponent/Bat Avge/Bowl Avge
Aus/ 22/ 48
Eng/ 23/ 42
SA/ 29/ 47
Ind/ 36/ 39


The only reason his ODI averages are decent (let alone ATG, which they're not anyway) is because he's dined in with so many games against minnows.

Tends to play much better against other Asian teams though. Probably just better in Asia I guess?
 

Mr Miyagi

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Shakib's ODI averages:

Opponent/Bat Avge/Bowl Avge
Aus/ 22/ 48
Eng/ 23/ 42
SA/ 29/ 47
Ind/ 36/ 39


The only reason his ODI averages are decent (let alone ATG, which they're not anyway) is because he's dined in with so many games against minnows.

Tends to play much better against other Asian teams though. Probably just better in Asia I guess?
Dude - Australia is ranked 6th and still sliding. Who cares about them in ODI? They're not JAMODI - they're a JAMODITEAM. Scotland has a better peak performance right now. No offence.

No offence, but Australian ODI's greatness is well past yesterday.

NZ has been top 4 in ODI consistently since 2015 - did you forget them? They're the team above Australia in points. Many points.

Australia last won here is 2009/10 - thats 07, 15, 16 and 17 as series losses. How is Shakib doing vs NZ in NZ? Better than Australia would not be difficult.
 
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TheJediBrah

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Dude - Australia is ranked 6th and still sliding. Who cares about them in ODI? They're not JAMODI - they're a JAMODITEAM. Scotland has a better peak performance right now. No offence.

No offence, but Australian ODI's greatness is well past yesterday.

NZ has been top 4 in ODI consistently since 2015 - did you forget them? They're the team above Australia in points. Many points. How is Shakib doing vs them?
Shakib's been playing since 2006 m8

the stats are his whole career

and he's nowhere near ATG. If he was Indian he'd be lucky to even be an occasional player in the side right now
 

Mr Miyagi

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Shakib's been playing since 2006 m8

the stats are his whole career

and he's nowhere near ATG. If he was Indian he'd be lucky to even be an occasional player in the side right now
Since 2006 - Australia has lost 4 ODI series in NZ and won one. How is Shakib doing? Noone cares about 6th ranked Straya as indicative of form to vist. 6th place is useless. It is a minnow. No offence. Seriously, Scotland is more of a threat to England than Australia. Australian ODI cricket is irrelevant right now. No offence.
 
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TheJediBrah

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Since 2006 - Australia has lost 4 ODI series in NZ and won one. How is Shakib doing? Noone cares about 6th ranked Straya as indicative of form. 6th place is useless. No offence.
M8 you're not offending anyone, don't worry. You're not saying anything relevant either though.
 

Jack1

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Shakib's ODI averages:

Opponent/Bat Avge/Bowl Avge
Aus/ 22/ 48
Eng/ 23/ 42
SA/ 29/ 47
Ind/ 36/ 39


The only reason his ODI averages are decent (let alone ATG, which they're not anyway) is because he's dined in with so many games against minnows.

Tends to play much better against other Asian teams though. Probably just better in Asia I guess?
He's a lot better at home than away in ODIs with bat and ball. In tests he's exactly the same average home and away with bat and ball, so it's strange the disparity is so big in ODIs.

He's only averaging 22.95 at home with ball in Odis in 96 games and 36.44 with the bat at home.
 

Mr Miyagi

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M8 you're not offending anyone, don't worry. You're not saying anything relevant either though.
I'm glad I'm not. I'd hate to think anyone reading my posts would think that the irrelevant Australian ODI side is relevant - which is my point.

You're a good guy and a good poster, and as patriotic as you are even you must see that Australian ODI cricket is behind the times.

Simon O'Donnell let alone Tom Moody would help the current side, even if in this slogathon era.
 
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This is exactly why I think ODI's are still evolving. We don't have any clear-cut group of players whom we consider ATGs above the merely very good players, if that makes sense. Seemingly meh players like Watson, Shakib and Afridi pop up for discussion. Anyway, I don't think there's been many great ODI all-rounders in the last 25 years besides Flintoff, Klusener and Watson (ugh)
 

Mr Miyagi

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This is exactly why I think ODI's are still evolving. We don't have any clear-cut group of players whom we consider ATGs above the merely very good players, if that makes sense. Seemingly meh players like Watson, Shakib and Afridi pop up for discussion. Anyway, I don't think there's been many great ODI all-rounders in the last 25 years besides Flintoff, Klusener and Watson (ugh)
Excellent post, Australia is now in the era where the most misssed players are not Dean Jones, AB, McGrath or Warne but actually Symonds and Watson. The guys who were not appreciated at their time for being the awesome cricketers that they really really were. Even *Twatto. Because they're the guys that not every generation can replace so easily.
 
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Jack1

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Shakib's been playing since 2006 m8

the stats are his whole career

and he's nowhere near ATG. If he was Indian he'd be lucky to even be an occasional player in the side right now
He is close for me to an ATG overall, obviously you don't want him playing against a stacked or ATG team though. I mean in general for a team in international cricket he's a great player across the three formats to have for a weaker side (and even a stronger side considering his overall test stats, ODI and t20i bowling stats).

To be honest one could argue he's an ATG with those stats across all formats in such a bad team. Let's not forget he has less pressure from bowling at the other end when he bowls (As Bangladesh are generally weak in all three formats). And often batting under pressure. His stats are very good considering that in all the formats.
 
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TheJediBrah

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I'm glad I'm not. I'd hate to think anyone reading my posts would think that the irrelevant Australian ODI side is relevant - which is my point.

You're a good guy and a good poster, and as patriotic as you are even you must see that Australian ODI cricket is behind the times.

Simon O'Donnell let alone Tom Moody would help the current side, even if in this slogathon era.
I talk more **** about me own team than anyone on here. I'm hardly patriotic in the slightest. I know you're obsessed with it though clearly think I am because you try and bring it up all the ****ing time. You try to turn every discussion around to "Australia is ****" lately, even when no one is discussing anything related to it. It took you one post to try to turn this into an Aus v NZ argument.

You're projecting your own obsession on to me.
 

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