***Official*** Australia in England 2018

[S.Kennedy]

Call Renshaw up I say, it baffles me the investment in short after one BBL

Making runs for fun at Somerset.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Call Renshaw up I say, it baffles me the investment in short after one BBL

Starting to look more and more like Short was just in an unusually rich vein of form during the BBL and he's not actually that good

 

[TheJediBrah]

This gets less astonishing the more I consider our attack.

Two guys who have barely played professional cricket and have been forced in via the pathway at the expense of those more deserving. Supplemented by a guy whose call to fame was batting too low on debut, a guy who is pits at FC and relies on a gimmick to take wickets in LO matches, and a fella who is only there because he swung a dukes ball for an FC season or two and because someone on the selection panel forgot what a white ball is. Plus Kane Richardson, which says it all really.

I mean I know this ain't the finest side we could put out ideally, but good god even an A-team with a handicap of D'arcy Short should at least compete to some degree with an international side.

Time to apologize to Mennie, Worrall and Tremain lads.

Lol you think they would do any better? Literally our 6 first-choice bowlers are injured. Maybe 7. This may be the weakest bowling attack in our international history but it's not like there's much better available.

I am unclear how anyone can have watched Agar bowl in this series and be even slightly impressed. He's village.

Zampa should be back in the side.

Agar's basically been the best bowler in the last 2 games. Anyway he's just holding the spot until Pope comes through in a couple years

 

[social]

The opening position should just about be the least of Australia's problems on this tour as Finch & SMarsh would make a very good combo

Short shouldnt be on the tour as he's barely scored a run anywhere since the BBL and Head just seems to be a selectors' favourite

What's more, Finch is far less effective in the middle order while they've moved Stoinis away from where he's had success, Maxi is far too low and Paine is there to shake hands

 

[FBU]

Spin
Aus 35 overs 234 runs 1 wicket
Eng 62 overs 334 runs 17 wickets

Lyon?

 

[Cow]

No shame in losing to the greatest LO team ever assembled.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

No shame in losing to the greatest LO team ever assembled.

I am bit concerned with how England played the death overs.

Only 8 runs in the 47th (incl a no ball), 3 runs in the 48th, 13 runs in the 49th (incl a wide and a no ball) and only 7 runs in the 50th.

That is only 31 runs off 4 overs, less without the wide and noballs.

England left runs out there. This could have been a Brian Lara moment of breaking new ground. Sure you can get away with death finishes like that against Australia, but Scotland, they'll punish you for it.

 

[TheJediBrah]

The funniest part is that the same team lost to Scotland literally days before this series

I'd say cancel the next 2 games and set up an Aus v Scotland series instead, but then Scotland might thrash them by even more

 

[Red]

No shame in losing to the greatest LO team ever assembled.

Remove England's two best batsmen and make them play their third string bowling attack then see what the deal is.

 

[cnerd123]

This 481 from England is only the second highest ODI score of all time - NZ Women did score 490 against Ireland Women just last week. Although of course, you can't really compare the two feats. It's one thing to smash Ireland Women for 490, and another to smash the Australian Men for 481.



The Ireland Women's attack was probably way better.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Remove England's two best batsmen and make them play their third string bowling attack then see what the deal is.

I don't know it's still a pretty strong team. Stronger than full-strength Aus would be IMO, at least in these conditions.

This English team is tailor-made for roads, and they'll be hard to beat in 2019 at home where they can control the pitches they play on. Only danger is if they actually have peaked at the wrong time and a few guys lose form around next year. (here's hoping)

 

[Borges]

England have done consistently well, and not just on wickets which were prepared by them.
They would be the overwhelming favourites to lift the World Cup, even if it were to be held somewhere outside England.

 

[Daemon]

I don't know it's still a pretty strong team. Stronger than full-strength Aus would be IMO, at least in these conditions.

This English team is tailor-made for roads, and they'll be hard to beat in 2019 at home where they can control the pitches they play on. Only danger is if they actually have peaked at the wrong time and a few guys lose form around next year. (here's hoping)

Yeah bad time to bring up England's two best batsmen when they scored 20 odd runs in total last night.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Remove England's two best batsmen and make them play their third string bowling attack then see what the deal is.

That the's funny thing about the England team, they'are already playing a weakened team in both batting and bowling with irreplaceable allrounders Stokes and Woakes missing.

Hales isn't even in their full strength side anymore (well he wasn't before last night anyway).

But even if you take out Root and Morgan, you still have all these runs from Buttler, Bairstow, Hales and Roy. When Stokes and Woakes are back - them too. Even Ali has been making runs for them.

It is nothing like their test team where they just look weak and pathetic without Root and Cook.

I think Root is their glue like KW for NZ and VK for India, but everyone else is replaceable, even Bairstow, and when things go well, Root slides down the order like last night.

 

[TheJediBrah]

England have done consistently well, and not just on wickets which were prepared by them.

I've yet to see them really play on anything other than a road (maybe Adelaide last year where they were 5/8, which showed the top order was susceptible to early movement). Maybe they'd still be the best, but it doesn't matter anyway.

They would be the overwhelming favourites to lift the World Cup, even if it were to be held somewhere outside England.

They wouldn't be overwhelming favourites in Asia, or even favourites IMO.

 

[TheJediBrah]

That the's funny thing about the England team, they'are already playing a weakened team in both batting and bowling with irreplaceable allrounders Stokes and Woakes missing.

Hales isn't even in their full strength side anymore (well he wasn't before last night anyway).

But even if you take out Root and Morgan, you still have all these runs from Buttler, Bairstow, Hales and Roy. When Stokes and Woakes are back - them too. Even Ali has been making runs for them.

It is nothing like their test team where they just look weak and pathetic without Root and Cook.

I don't how much difference Stokes makes tbh. They look just as strong without him unless someone's injured and they have to play Billings.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

I don't how much difference Stokes makes tbh. They look just as strong without him unless someone's injured and they have to play Billings.

Stokes and Hales - I am pretty sure Stokes has more runs than him since 2016 and has done it at 5, not opening or at 3, but even if deemed to be similar, its the difference that Stokes makes to the bowling. He gives the team 6 proper options and more at the back end, instead of getting through bonus Root overs up top and relying on Rashid more at the death.

Billings is horrid, but Hales and Wood have been the benefactors of Stokes and Woakes' absence.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Stokes and Hales - I am pretty sure Stokes has more runs than him since 2016, but even if similar, its the difference that Stokes makes to the bowling. He gives the team 6 proper options and more at the back end, instead of getting through bonus Root overs up top and relying on Rashid more at the death.

Stokes doesn't seem much use as a bowler in LO anyway, and Hales showed that he's valuable. I'm not saying he definitely wouldn't make the team stronger, but I don't know if he definitely does either. Doesn't look much weaker without him to me.

 

[Mr Miyagi]

Stokes doesn't seem much use as a bowler in LO anyway, and Hales showed that he's valuable. I'm not saying he definitely wouldn't make the team stronger, but I don't know if he definitely does either. Doesn't look much weaker without him to me.

Maybe not to Carlos Brathwaite, but he has had plenty of better days than that.

He gives the captain a further back end death option, they don't want to bowl Willey out preferably. He is only there to try and swing the new ball and one day to make more runs like he does in domestic.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Woakes over Wood would be an improvement for sure