All time XIs discussion

[stephen]

An interesting piece of statistical trivia - 6 bowlers have played between 70 and 80 tests for Australia. The only two bowlers who have played more tests than that are McGrath and Warne who have played 124 and 145 tests respectively.

They're massive outliers.

 

[CricAddict]

Oops.

Anyways I completely forgot about Pandya, he definitely deserves to be in there.

I think he should play atleast 10 tests before getting into these discussions. I am sure he ll get in there soon.

 

[harsh.ag]

I'd definitely have him in the last XI.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I am thinking G XI - McDonald.

Edit - Similar question - Which Australian XI would Kapil make?

Replaces Gillespie in the A XI imo

 

[Starfighter]

Replaces Gillespie in the A XI imo

No. As a bowler D or E at best.

 

[OverratedSanity]

He's easily better than Gillespie and Thomson as a bowler imo. Gillespie didn't step up enough when it was time for him to lead the attack imo and Thomson's prime was very short. Overall with his batting taken into account it's a no brainer.

 

[OverratedSanity]

On the other question, you'd probably have to go all the way down to Australia's K XI to find a bowler who wouldn't make India's first XI, which is pretty sad.

 

[Victor Ian]

He's easily better than Gillespie and Thomson as a bowler imo. Gillespie didn't step up enough when it was time for him to lead the attack imo and Thomson's prime was very short. Overall with his batting taken into account it's a no brainer.

Ho do you conclude that? Takes less wickets per match at a lower strike rate and larger average. And all this when he was the only pace bowler of note while Gillespie had McGrath taking all his wickets.

Agreed that the all rounder aspect makes the decision much more likely though still pushing it to happen as part of a 4 man attack.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Ho do you conclude that? Takes less wickets per match at a lower strike rate and larger average. And all this when he was the only pace bowler of note while Gillespie had McGrath taking all his wickets.

Yeah he has a slight edge on those stats , but the difference in raw number of wickets and longevity is massive.

 

[OverratedSanity]

On the other question, you'd probably have to go all the way down to Australia's K XI to find a bowler who wouldn't make India's first XI, which is pretty sad.

Thinking about it, what's even sadder is that you'd have to go probably down to Australia's D to find a spinner who wouldn't be India's best ever.

 

[Victor Ian]

Another question: Which Australian team does the Indian 1st XI beat in a series home away and neutral? I'm at C.

 

[Victor Ian]

Yeah he has a slight edge on those stats , but the difference in raw number of wickets and longevity is massive.

Another factor that plays for Kapil is that he had to take most of his wickets in India. I was only questioning the 'easily' part of what you wrote.

 

[stephen]

Another question: Which Australian team does the Indian 1st XI beat in a series home away and neutral? I'm at C.

Probably somewhere between D and E. The Aus D team has some players who excelled overseas. And the Indian first XI is basically the team that toured in 02/03 and the only reason they were competitive was that Australia had a rubbish bowling attack. McDermott/Alderman is a very fine fast bowling unit.

 

[ankitj]

Another question: Which Australian team does the Indian 1st XI beat in a series home away and neutral? I'm at C.

At home, India should beat Australia B which is probably comparable (or only slightly better) that the Australian team India did beat in 2001. With an ATG team, think India should beat Australia B at home.

Away is a far cry. I don't want to even make a guess.

 

[Victor Ian]

At home, India should beat Australia B which is probably comparable (or only slightly better) that the Australian team India did beat in 2001. With an ATG team, think India should beat Australia B at home.

Away is a far cry. I don't want to even make a guess.

Also, I meant 3 test series, 1 of each. At home, I agree with you at B (could go either way). In Australia, they'd come into it at about E or F. Think 2002, only India has a better team and Australia's bowling was perhaps similar to F.

 

[Victor Ian]

It would be a nightmare to work through, but it would be a bit of fun at the end to rank the top 5 teams of each country, in a sort of head to head battle. Maybe a sim could do it. Something that could produce a scorecard like I saw done once. (yeah - I'm dreaming)

 

[a massive zebra]

On the other question, you'd probably have to go all the way down to Australia's K XI to find a bowler who wouldn't make India's first XI, which is pretty sad.

If you were purely looking at pace bowlers, I'm inclined to agree with you, but do you really think Arthur Mailey, Colin McCool and Jack Saunders would make India's first XI?

 

[NUFAN]

It would be a nightmare to work through, but it would be a bit of fun at the end to rank the top 5 teams of each country, in a sort of head to head battle. Maybe a sim could do it. Something that could produce a scorecard like I saw done once. (yeah - I'm dreaming)

Dont worry, i have a couple of different plans once finished. I need help with the SIM though.

 

[Victor Ian]

Dont worry, i have a couple of different plans once finished. I need help with the SIM though.

You have made my Australian off season.

 

[bagapath]

This is so cool. Missed out on all the fun. Catching up.