Victor Ian
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Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"
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Starfighter
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Bullshit we were self governing by that date. Each of the colonies may have been fairly self contained but we didn't end up with different railway gauges in NSW, Vic and Qld for no reason.
There was quite a bit going there.
Starfighter
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Shri
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S.Kennedy
International Vice-Captain
That is quite easy to fathom as you weren't federated until 1901.
All Australian states except Western Australia possessed democratic elections and bicameral parliaments by 1860 - and Western Australia had obtained all these things also by 1890. This is just fact and has nothing to do with the ''Daily Mail'' or any beliefs on my part. Maybe you should look up your own history?
S.Kennedy
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How is Britain meant to be the guilty of post-1860 crimes against aborigines when she had already conceded legislative and executive control of domestic affairs to five/six Australian states (even before federation) who now elected their own parliaments which enacted legislation? It is a constitutional impossibility! Heck, by the twentieth century Australia was being accepted as a full ''imperial'' partner herself. Australia sent troops to the Boer War, and colonial theatres during the two world wars. Australia even received League of Nation mandates (i.e., New Guinea, Nauru): in other words, Australia in 1919 now held an empire herself!
I'll concede you the earlier period, when power was excised through a British governor-general and the foreign office.
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quincywagstaff
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Don't really follow the logic of Moises Henriques latest take on this.
By his logic, if a player pays off an opposition to throw the game can that be forgiven because he was being 'selfless' and doing the 'team thing'?
By his logic, if a player pays off an opposition to throw the game can that be forgiven because he was being 'selfless' and doing the 'team thing'?
Starfighter
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I don't get any of that. Not even a little bit.
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Who tf cares? Unless you were personally involved then it's nothing to do with you and why would you feel guilty about it?
It's like Americans expecting random White people to take responsibility for slavery that was perpetrated over a century ago by other white people who may or may not be their ancestors. Stop living in the past
TheJediBrah
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not giving a **** isn't the same as taking responsibility for
Burgey
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I'm well aware of that. A nation as an institution can't go glibly by just not acknowledging **** it's done in the past. It would be very convenient if they could, but it shouldn't work that way.
I often hear people in Australian take the "it wasn't me so why should we take responsibility" POV on historic wrongs meted out to indigenous people in particular. They're usually Tories (so by definition backwards and unintelligent) and they're usually the same people who head off to dawn services on ANZAC Day before playing two-up at the local RSL then getting on TV to insist the Japanese government apologise for the way Australian POWs were treated in WW2. It's almost invariably an interesting exercise in hypocrisy.
I often hear people in Australian take the "it wasn't me so why should we take responsibility" POV on historic wrongs meted out to indigenous people in particular. They're usually Tories (so by definition backwards and unintelligent) and they're usually the same people who head off to dawn services on ANZAC Day before playing two-up at the local RSL then getting on TV to insist the Japanese government apologise for the way Australian POWs were treated in WW2. It's almost invariably an interesting exercise in hypocrisy.
I feel 10,000 brain cells less off for having read this tweet. How much dumb can you fit into 140 characters?
The dumbest thing would have to be the insinuation that helping the fast bowling group is selfless, like they're a completely different entity to the XI. Of course Davey wasn't doing it in the pursuit of team result and thus personal glory, course not! He was aiding the bowling group for their own glory! Hail David! But just kinda forgot to selflessly tell said bowling group he was doing it (allegedly)...
And the fact that Warner was the most vocal in negotiations meant he was always going to get hit hard when he them took a steaming dump on Cricket Australia's reputation.
This is a man tweeting who couldn't grasp the fundamental rule of locking your door whilst feeding the chooks on tour. He also goes on later in the comments to say he'd be more likely to forgive Warner than someone in a social round of golf kicking their ball out from behind a tree. And why is he rehashing this a week or more on? CA, Warner, Smith etc I'm sure would rather he shut up.
Drop a brain into Moises' head and it'd have to look for a batting partner.
TheJediBrah
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In what context though? Refusing to take responsibility in the way of wanting government benefits abolished isn't the same as refusing to take direct responsibility and call yourself a terrible person because of your ancestors. I'm not disagreeing with you we're just talking about different things. No one's saying that just because something happened generations ago it means that it's irrelevant now.
Starfighter
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Can we take this to the politics subforum so I never have to see it again?