Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

[Burgey]

Shows you how ****ed up this whole thing is. Gambhir making sense.

 

[StephenZA]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...or-a-team-out-of-control-20180330-p4z717.html
I thought this is a good article on Warner, it is very true regarding Warner been better behaved until they dropped Wade. I don't totally agree with some 'blame' being placed on QDK and the SA public (even though some of it has been disgraceful and embarrassing). Actions have consequences. But ultimately you read that and once again it comes down the the management of the team.... win at all cost, even if you sacrifice players.

 

[vcs]

He's just Gambhiring in the hope that things get even worse for them.

 

[TheJediBrah]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...or-a-team-out-of-control-20180330-p4z717.html
I thought this is a good article on Warner, it is very true regarding Warner been better behaved until they dropped Wade. I don't totally agree with some 'blame' being placed on QDK and the SA public (even though some of it has been disgraceful and embarrassing). Actions have consequences. But ultimately you read that and once again it comes down the the management of the team.... win at all cost, even if you sacrifice players.

Yeah even though the way they treated him (deservedly or not) undoubtedly played a large part, it was his own behaviour that left him open to it, and his own weakness that lead to him responding in the ways he did. The "blame" is squarely on Warner himself.

edit: I do think the ICC should do more to protect players from directed abuse like that though

 

[SteveNZ]

I cannot believe how gullible people are over these press conferences, or ''pressers'' as they seem to be called now. They are crying because they got caught. Lehmann did not show much sympathy when he instructed the public to pelt Broad with abuse, yet now he is crying like a little girl.

I'm referring to Smith here when I say people make mistakes. We are human. Geezus, if I lived a life in the spotlight I'd have had some pressers to front in tears. I'm not inclined to think Smith is a bad person, he made a bad piece of judgement under duress. I've been as harsh as anyone on Australia's behaviour but watching Smith go through the airport and cry at the presser sucked. That was not deserved. The guy simply failed to stop cheating, he didn't cheat himself.

Warner, different story. Why can't he front a presser? Because he had a family there? Nah. It's because he is a **** of a human and knows his instinctual answers under emotional and pressure in a media conference won't help him at all (and probably CA knows as well). So because he's Davey Dum Dum he'll have a couple of days to pre-plan a response. Weak. We got to see the human side of Smith and hell, it made me feel sorry for him. Warner is a poor human being and continues to further prove himself as such as every opportunity.

 

[NZTailender]

waaaaaah Faf waaaaaaaaaaaaah

waaaaaaaah

waaaaaaah at its finest

dude just get over it

 

[Spark]

I'm referring to Smith here when I say people make mistakes. We are human. Geezus, if I lived a life in the spotlight I'd have had some pressers to front in tears. I'm not inclined to think Smith is a bad person, he made a bad piece of judgement under duress. I've been as harsh as anyone on Australia's behaviour but watching Smith go through the airport and cry at the presser sucked. That was not deserved. The guy simply failed to stop cheating, he didn't cheat himself.

Warner, different story. Why can't he front a presser? Because he had a family there? Nah. It's because he is a **** of a human and knows his instinctual answers under emotional and pressure in a media conference won't help him at all (and probably CA knows as well). So because he's Davey Dum Dum he'll have a couple of days to pre-plan a response. Weak. We got to see the human side of Smith and hell, it made me feel sorry for him. Warner is a poor human being and continues to further prove himself as such as every opportunity.

I'm really curious as to why they were put on separate flights. Craddock has a story on it, but it's paywalled.

 

[TheJediBrah]

dude just get over it

Yeah while I sympathise with your anger social you've been going on for the last few days nonstop

Take a Valium or something

 

[Spikey]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...or-a-team-out-of-control-20180330-p4z717.html
I thought this is a good article on Warner, it is very true regarding Warner been better behaved until they dropped Wade. I don't totally agree with some 'blame' being placed on QDK and the SA public (even though some of it has been disgraceful and embarrassing). Actions have consequences. But ultimately you read that and once again it comes down the the management of the team.... win at all cost, even if you sacrifice players.

Any why was Wade picked in the first place...

 

[ankitj]

Many of us are feeling sympathy for Smith probably on the assumption that he was not the main instigator on ball tampering. So do I. But again, I am not able to reconcile that with the "brain fade" incident where Smith tried to cheat by asking dressing room on whether to review a decision or not. Probably he did not mind breaking the rules in general and might not have felt much if he wasn't caught in Cape Town !!

He can surely come out a reformed man from this though and that will be great.

 

[Victor Ian]

Seems a bit harsh to dig the boots in for a deferred press conference. Everyone is different and I think Warner has decided the best route for him is some time to calm down and get some perspective. That just seems wise if he is in any way angry or bitter. Some people cry under pressure and others get combative. If Warner's the second kind he's made the right call.

 

[SteveNZ]

I'm really curious as to why they were put on separate flights. Craddock has a story on it, but it's paywalled.

I read that article so it can't be on a paywall everywhere? Think I saw it on Herald Sun. It said CA deliberately put them on separate flights because of the level of animosity that *may* have existed between them. Having that play out in public might've left it open to interpretation if they walked past each other and said nothing etc. It could be a nothing story Craddock pulled out of his arse, I dunno. There's so much conjecture floating around in the media (surprise).

 

[Spark]

I read that article so it can't be on a paywall everywhere? Think I saw it on Herald Sun. It said CA deliberately put them on separate flights because of the level of animosity that *may* have existed between them. Having that play out in public might've left it open to interpretation if they walked past each other and said nothing etc. It could be a nothing story Craddock pulled out of his arse, I dunno. There's so much conjecture floating around in the media (surprise).

Yeah the paywalls on the News Ltd website are inconsistent at best. Tbf I didn't exactly try super hard to read it.

 

[SteveNZ]

Seems a bit harsh to dig the boots in for a deferred press conference. Everyone is different and I think Warner has decided the best route for him is some time to calm down and get some perspective. That just seems wise if he is in any way angry or bitter. Some people cry under pressure and others get combative. If Warner's the second kind he's made the right call.

That's fine, but he's just lost the PR game again. He was already behind as the instigator of the whole thing, the sledging **** and the disgusting send-off of AB, and now Smith/Bancroft have fronted up and got the public back onside slightly by being human and giving honest pressers. Warner's is going to be a watered down, meaningless, scripted affair. Unfortunately for him he's dumb and emotive, so you are right in that he's combative and would've done as much damage by coming out swinging as he would've not showing up.

 

[MagicPoopShovel]

I'm inclined to give Warner some leeway. But definitely lost the PR game. It's almost a comp now to be better than the Smith and Bancroft ones.

Smith came out with his dad. Bancroft, I think his mom. The optics of both those were pretty good.

Wonder who will stand by Warner. ,,

 

[TheJediBrah]

I'm inclined to give Warner some leeway. But definitely lost the PR game. It's almost a comp now to be better than the Smith and Bancroft ones.

Smith came out with his dad. Bancroft, I think his mom. The optics of both those were pretty good.

Wonder who will stand by Warner. ,,

What's Sonny Bill up to?

 

[S.Kennedy]

Battle of the weepy press conferences.

 

[Bolo]

Warner, different story. Why can't he front a presser? Because he had a family there?

I find it a bit strange that he had a family there if you buy into the this wierd siege mentality defence that this article is making. Run with the thought that bringing the wife into it is so hurtful as to be unacceptable regardless of how Warner behaved. Fine, maybe the wife (and kids, although I'm not sure what the article is referring to) was deeply distressed. Why meet him at the airport then? Either the damage suffered by them is severe enough that he should want to protect them from the media and just meet them half an hour later, or he's using them as an emotional shield.

This isn't primarily a critique of Warner or his wife btw. It's natural for a family to want to pull together, whether through missing each other normally, providing emotional support in a tough time, or through a calculated move to garner sympathy and maximise the odds of protecting the income of the breadwinner, this being more important than shielding the family from the media.

It's more a critique of an article opening with a picture of his family taken paparazzi style at an emotional time and moralising about how henious it is to have brought them into this debacle. It's the first time I've ever seen his kids brought into anything in a way they should be aware of. Media are scum, especially when they are pretending otherwise.

 

[Borges]

Smith came out with his dad. Bancroft, I think his mom. The optics of both those were pretty good

It's hard to believe that some smart PR people were not involved.
Particularly in the light of the horror show that these two put on after the test, when they apparently were on their own.

 

[ankitj]

https://twitter.com/ashwinravi99/status/979564514709405696

The world simply wants to see you cry, once you have cried they will feel satisfied and live happily ever after. If only Empathy was not just a Word and people still had it. God give @stevesmith49 and Bancroft all the strength to come out of this.

As Shri said earlier, Ashwin trying hard to sound oh-so-smart and talking gibberish in the process.