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"We not scoring enough runs and not taking enough wickets"
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***Official*** England in New Zealand 2018
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Daemon
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Laughed too hard at a sandpapergate meme
Tastle is the sort of guy who averages 30 in the Plunket as a proper bat but will probably end up averaging about 18 in Tests, whereas Ish is the kind of guy who averages 22 with a lot of not outs in the Plunket and also averages 18 in Tests.
Genuinely reckon that if Ish had the batting opportunities that Tastle has had over the past few years (and if he applied himself over time) that he could end up in a similar place in terms of FC stats. There's something there imo.
Anyway, a few other notes from the Test:
- Is Chris Woakes the least memorable cricketer ever? He had one bad performance (0/120) and one good performance (50) in the Test, and I genuinely cannot remember anything about either of them. Except for the cut shot off Tastle, which I remember exclusively because of having this conversation right as he hit it.
- Livingstone definitely has something about him. Looked like he picks up the ball significantly earlier than Vince. He's also a freak for being able to swap between dirty offies and jammy leggies every single ball, without deterioration in either.
- Nicholls' technique is, surprisingly enough, perfectly serviceable. His issues seem to be trigger-related. Watch this space going forward.
- Boult's spell to Root on the fourth night may have been his best in Test cricket. If not, it's definitely up there.
- Neil Wagner makes no sense but I bloody love him
- How good was a still-very-crocked Watling? It looked like he was loving being back in Test cricket. He's Ryan Harris 2.0 -- keeps battling on at a stupidly high standard despite not having knees (or a hip)
- Picking Wood in the next Test seems like a great way to change things while gaining exactly the same result.
Genuinely reckon that if Ish had the batting opportunities that Tastle has had over the past few years (and if he applied himself over time) that he could end up in a similar place in terms of FC stats. There's something there imo.
Anyway, a few other notes from the Test:
- Is Chris Woakes the least memorable cricketer ever? He had one bad performance (0/120) and one good performance (50) in the Test, and I genuinely cannot remember anything about either of them. Except for the cut shot off Tastle, which I remember exclusively because of having this conversation right as he hit it.
- Livingstone definitely has something about him. Looked like he picks up the ball significantly earlier than Vince. He's also a freak for being able to swap between dirty offies and jammy leggies every single ball, without deterioration in either.
- Nicholls' technique is, surprisingly enough, perfectly serviceable. His issues seem to be trigger-related. Watch this space going forward.
- Boult's spell to Root on the fourth night may have been his best in Test cricket. If not, it's definitely up there.
- Neil Wagner makes no sense but I bloody love him
- How good was a still-very-crocked Watling? It looked like he was loving being back in Test cricket. He's Ryan Harris 2.0 -- keeps battling on at a stupidly high standard despite not having knees (or a hip)
- Picking Wood in the next Test seems like a great way to change things while gaining exactly the same result.
FBU
International Debutant
Woakes
"Hopefully he can bowl a lot more like he did in the one-dayers," Bayliss said. "What he showed in the one-day series was the length - he just got a little bit fuller and that puts pressure on, that fullish good length rather than that shortish good length. At home all pace bowlers can run in and the ball fairly naturally moves, where you have to work a little bit harder away from home with the Kookaburra ball on flatter wickets."
Guess he will keep his place though Overton looked the better of the two.
NZTailender
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Woakes did look tight with the ball on the first evening, at the ground. just not threatening. Pretty much sums him up in Test cricket when he's at his best imo.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
Hmmmm, can't help but feel that our batting leaves us vulnerable to getting tipped over tomorrow. It's weird, on the face of it, this is statistically one of the strongest NZ batting lineups ever - everyone in the top 7 averages at least 35, with 2 of the batsmen averaging close to 50. But, after the ODI series, I just can't shake the sense that if one of Kane or Ross don't make a score, the whole team will fall in a heap.
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
Hmm yes & no.
I think you're several years out of date with how you think Astle approaches his batting. He doesn't bat like the correct little orthodox opener he used to be. He abandoned that and his upturn in output has been since he embraced the engine room.
I agree that Sodhi will be a decent allrounder at some stage in his career.
Larwood's_boots
U19 Debutant
Moeen Ali out- how the hell has this taken so long?
MW1304
Cricketer Of The Year
Credit in the bank from being brilliant last summer and lack of strong alternatives.
Starfighter
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Because he's perceived as having 'utility' because he bats and bowls, which seems to be the main English criterion, despite not being good enough overseas at either.
Larwood's_boots
U19 Debutant
But he’s never travelled well, it’s just obvious. Can’t see why you need six tests of what’s been a dismal tour for this to happen
flibbertyjibber
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Thank god that Moeen and Woakes are dropped. About time.
Watch us now pick a funky team with no spinner and play Vince and Wood instead.
Watch us now pick a funky team with no spinner and play Vince and Wood instead.
Starfighter
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Once again change the bowling but not the batting (except for Moeen) despite the batting being the main issue. You'd think they could get rid of Vince and give Livingstone a go.
harsh.ag
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In a sense you have to first and foremost try and get close to the opposition bowling if you want to win a test. Plus they have Vince now.
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
My theory regarding Wagner's bouncers and there effectiveness is how quickly he gets through the crease. This coupled with the speed of his front arm makes it difficult for batsman to get a clear sight of the ball, and as a consequence are both hurried and indecisive when knowling when to play/leave.
There are times when I've found it easier to play guys who I know are definitely quicker on the speed gun, but you're able to track the ball quicker and therefore pick up length easier. Other guys who are maybe 5-10ks slower just have the ability to bowl a 'heavy ball' and hit the splice. Speed gun ain't everything.
There are times when I've found it easier to play guys who I know are definitely quicker on the speed gun, but you're able to track the ball quicker and therefore pick up length easier. Other guys who are maybe 5-10ks slower just have the ability to bowl a 'heavy ball' and hit the splice. Speed gun ain't everything.
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
On a side note, I'd be fascinated to hear Top Cat's views on Wagner