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Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"
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He knew alright, the sequence of events was like this.
1) Cam rubs something on the ball, puts it back in the pocket. His hand covers the ball as the cameraman is zooming in only on the back of his hand, from that angle.
2) Darren sees this & immediately relays that to Peter. The commentators are perplexed actually at that point.
3) Peter asks Cam to hide sandpaper/tape during the drinks break.
4) Cam tries that & gets caught red handed with a front on view.
As has been mentioned, the saga took about 90 minutes to unroll. So unless Darren is the Mahaguru from Dr. Strange, he knew what to hide & why hide it. I'm still waiting for that piece of tape to show itself btw some (like me) are still speculating that's it's sandpaper & rightly so.
OverratedSanity
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Australia could have Victor Trumper's exhumed corpse opening the batting and we still wouldn't take enough wickets to win a series there
One word - Kuldeep
Senile Sentry
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Heh now it's the opposite. Karma.
He's actually hiding his mouth, so that none can lip read him. Secondly, Peter is having a nervous laugh at the end.
Senile Sentry
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I adore the innocence of Sutherland and his investigators to swallow that Lehmann and the bowlers had no clue what was happening.
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You've got to assume that Lehmann legitimately didn't know and only sent Handscomb out when things were noticed.
There'll be a full investigation and his involvement will come out, and I can't imagine he lacks the integrity so much that he'd let three players take the fall while he walked off.
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None of this is really any proof that Lehmann knew, perfectly reasonable to think he sent Handscomb out there because it looked bad from where he was at that point of time.
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I don't think we'll ever know for sure. The findings could be that he didn't know, but people will always wonder whether it's actually true.
Senile Sentry
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The more and more I read into it I get the feeling that Lehmann is the polar opposite of a Mickey Arthur or a Greg Chappell. A very matey, democratic and liberal who gave his players (leadership group) too much trust and leeway and thus had little authority over the group or control over their conduct. Which eventually led to formation of cliques and groups and led to this embarrassing episode.
So we have two breakdowns in 5 years within the Aussie team but in diametrically opposite conditions. The former was apparently the outcome of a regimental coaching attitude and the latter due to a laissez faire mode of coaching. Interesting case studies really but also throws up apprehensions about the mental make-up of Aussie cricketers from the junior levels. Both cases reflect the mental make-up of egotisic man cubs with little regard for the manner their illustrated predecessors approached the game.
Sad really and warrants a thorough look at the mentoring done at junior levels.
So we have two breakdowns in 5 years within the Aussie team but in diametrically opposite conditions. The former was apparently the outcome of a regimental coaching attitude and the latter due to a laissez faire mode of coaching. Interesting case studies really but also throws up apprehensions about the mental make-up of Aussie cricketers from the junior levels. Both cases reflect the mental make-up of egotisic man cubs with little regard for the manner their illustrated predecessors approached the game.
Sad really and warrants a thorough look at the mentoring done at junior levels.
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If Lehmann didn’t know then he’s not doing his job. If he did know then he should be stood down.
I think either way he should go. I don’t see how he could in any way engineer the sort of cultural change the team needs, because everything I’ve aeen, hear or read from him basically encapsulates the culture as it currently is.
I think either way he should go. I don’t see how he could in any way engineer the sort of cultural change the team needs, because everything I’ve aeen, hear or read from him basically encapsulates the culture as it currently is.
