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Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Hey I agree 100%......considering how serious this all is nearly everyone has shown the best of themselves in here. I really got to pay kudos to the Aussies here with their reactions.......this thread had the potential to get real messy and it hasnt by any means.
My Facebook feed has been much less good. It's nice that actual cricket fans are a lot less dire on this topic than casual passers-by.

Although thinking back to what some of CW's banned members might be saying about this, there's probably something to the exclusivity of this particular group, too.
 

Starfighter

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I have to express again that I really don't get the public reaction at large. Did people really believe that we were somehow some sort of moral guardians in the sport or something? I know that we on here (mostly) know more about cricket than the average, Channel Nine watching sort of person, but you have to be rather thick to think we had any moral high ground. But then again, think about how stupid the average person is and remember that half a still stupider. Certainly obviously non-cricket watching, irrelevant types don't have much business proffering their opinion (I mean you Turnbull) when they themselves are involved with much more important issues.

I suspect that like most hysterical social media borne movements it will be gone in a couple of months.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
I have to express again that I really don't get the public reaction at large. Did people really believe that we were somehow some sort of moral guardians in the sport or something? I know that we on here (mostly) know more about cricket than the average, Channel Nine watching sort of person, but you have to be rather thick to think we had any moral high ground. But then again, think about how stupid the average person is and remember that half a still stupider. Certainly obviously non-cricket watching, irrelevant types don't have much business proffering their opinion (I mean you Turnbull) when they themselves are involved with much more important issues.

I suspect that like most hysterical social media borne movements it will be gone in a couple of months.
A lot of people believed that booing Adam Goodes into retirement for an entire year was a fun and innocent thing to do, so
 

Kirkut

International Regular
Tough stance? People creating drama and seeking attention over an issue that is a lot smaller than other key problems in the country is stupid. Why the foowark would the PM of Australia come out and pass statements on a minor cheating incident in a sport? And just LOL at people asking for the invovled players to get lifeban. It's true that the Aussies like to point fingers all the time, so people(from other nations) were waiting for an opportunity to go after them, but most of reactions I see are too over the top. People need to MOVE ON!!!
It is a laid back country in the truest sense, located deep south far from the politicial tensions of say India/Pakistan or Israel/Palestine. And of course sports is the thing they take most pride on.
 

TheJediBrah

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It is a laid back country in the truest sense, located deep south far from the politicial tensions of say India/Pakistan or Israel/Palestine. And of course sports is the thing they take most pride on.
Really need to put things into perspective for people.

When you don't have to deal with war, famine/sickness, mass poverty and terrible living conditions for a large proportion of the country then a Sports team can seem like a big deal.
 

quincywagstaff

International Debutant
Oh dear.. According to Channel 9's WWOS website, a "highly placed source" said that not only did Starc & Hazlewood know but that the whole team would've known.

It sounds like there are various sections of Oz cricket covering for themselves and wanting to put the blame on others; in its own way this divisiveness and backstabbing will probably do more long-term damage to the team than the ball-tampering itself.
 

Daemon

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Really need to put things into perspective for people.

When you don't have to deal with war, famine/sickness, mass poverty and terrible living conditions for a large proportion of the country then a Sports team can seem like a big deal.
On the other hand, sometimes cricket is all a country has going for them - e.g. Reaction upon Pakistan winning the CT
 

TheJediBrah

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On the other hand, sometimes cricket is all a country has going for them - e.g. Reaction upon Pakistan winning the CT
Yeah I was thinking more so with the negatives. Australia winning in cricket has never really seemed like that big a deal over here (relatively speaking), even the last World Cup and Ashes have been pretty subdued.

When you're country is tough to live in the positives would be a bigger deal sort of as an escape I guess.
 

Spark

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Oh dear.. According to Channel 9's WWOS website, a "highly placed source" said that not only did Starc & Hazlewood know but that the whole team would've known.

It sounds like there are various sections of Oz cricket covering for themselves and wanting to put the blame on others; in its own way this divisiveness and backstabbing will probably do more long-term damage to the team than the ball-tampering itself.
is that highly placed souce named wavid dawner by any chance
 

Borges

International Regular
> On the other hand, sometimes cricket is all a country has going for them - e.g. Reaction upon Pakistan winning the CT

I guess most cricket fans out here would be surprised to learn that the percentage of population (of, for example, Pakistan) concerned about cricket constitute a miniscule minority.
 

AndyZaltzHair

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“We initially just saw that he had something in his hand and he put it in his pocket, but we didn’t know what it was,” Alvin Naicker, head of production at SuperSport told Reuters. “It was only when he later panicked and put it in his underpants that we got sight of the yellow tape.”

After the broadcaster showed the images of Bancroft’s actions on the big screen at the ground, umpires Nigel Llong and Richard Illingworth called the player over. He produced a black piece of cloth used to clean sunglasses from his pocket and the umpires were, at the time, satisfied.

Naicker believes that had Bancroft kept the piece of yellow tape in his pocket and still produced the black cloth for the umpires, giving him the opportunity to dispose of the tape later, nobody would be the wiser.

“The moment he tried to dispose of it in his pants, we knew that this was a major incident. Until then, we were not sure what we were looking at.”

Naicker says they broadcast the footage of him rubbing the ball with the then unknown object almost immediately after the incident. “He [Bancroft] probably saw it two minutes after it happened and very smartly our cameraman focused on the coaching staff and we saw the coach [Darren Lehmann] get on the walkie-talkie to the player down on the field [Peter Handscomb], who ran on to speak with Bancroft. It was then he panicked.”
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/li...s-updates-live
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Excuse me I have an imminent appointment with death by second-hand embarrassment after watching that
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
I think the punishment meted out by the ICC is fine, although I think Bancroft should also have copped a ban for lying to the umpires. Ball tampering is a trivial offence at the end of the day.

If Cricket Australia want to shoot their team in the foot by handing out ridiculous bans to appease the masses and climb back onto whatever moral high ground they thought they occupied then they're welcome to do so.
 

Top_Cat

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Oh dear.. According to Channel 9's WWOS website, a "highly placed source" said that not only did Starc & Hazlewood know but that the whole team would've known.
Of course they knew. Basic cricketing logic tells you they knew. One of the iron-clad rules of the game is never to do anything to the ball that the quicks haven’t expressly approved. It’s the right, nay, duty of all quicks to bollock the every-loving **** out of any clueless loser (read: number 5 batsman, typically) who dares to hang onto the ball longer than is necessary to pass it to the next guy in the chain on the (always too long) route from 1st to mid-off. That we didn’t once see Starc at the top of his mark, hands on hips staring at the ball with with an expression of lava and fury, one eye directed at a 2mm blemish on the shiny side and the other at every ****er in the chain tells us everything we need to know.
 
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