Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

[Starfighter]

If it really was a conspiracy that was planned well ahead of time, rather than, say, hastily concocted during the lunch break, then you'd think they might have come up with a slightly better plan than sticking dirt to a bit of bright yellow tape.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Then that side who didn't do anything is ****ing stupid

Probably not given the current situation.

 

[Starfighter]

Well if one side was getting massive reverse throughout the series and the other side was getting nothing (and copping a fair share of criticism for not being able to at the time, as well), then it certainly implies to me that one side was not doing it and one side was (given what we know now).

Or maybe NZ just aren't that good at reverse swing.

 

[social]

Well if one side was getting massive reverse throughout the series and the other side was getting nothing (and copping a fair share of criticism for not being able to at the time, as well), then it certainly implies to me that one side was not doing it and one side was (given what we know now).

Boult bowled absolute tripe in that series

He could've taken an orbital grinder onto the field with him and it wouldn't have made one iota of difference

 

[GotSpin]

If it really was a conspiracy that was planned well ahead of time, rather than, say, hastily concocted during the lunch break, then you'd think they might have come up with a slightly better plan than sticking dirt to a bit of bright yellow tape.

I think it's more the imagery of his wording though. When Steve starts mentioning 'the leadership group', I really can imagine them all standing around being like 'yeah good idea, we gotta do something out there'

 

[straw man]

Yeah because the kiwis are a bunch of gentle simple minded players who constantly punch above their weight. Spare me

Us NZers do indeed have a hard time shining up the ball seeing as not even butter will melt in our mouths.

 

[GotSpin]

Probably not given the current situation.

NZ played like horse **** that series.

 

[The Hutt Rec]

Or maybe NZ just aren't that good at reverse swing.

Yeah certainly a possibility ... I’m not saying they were definitely up to no good or anything, just that I’m suspicious now, whereas previously I took it at face value.

 

[Prince EWS]

If it really was a conspiracy that was planned well ahead of time, rather than, say, hastily concocted during the lunch break, then you'd think they might have come up with a slightly better plan than sticking dirt to a bit of bright yellow tape.

By ball tampering standards, hastily concocting something up in the lunch break kind of is a conspiracy planned well ahead of time, though.

Usually it appears to be a spur of the moment thing where one player picks at the quarter seam, rubs it on their zipper etc, rather than actually having the captain ask the ball-shiner to take a foreign object out onto the field. Even though it's basically the same offence, to me one 'feels' like a level of nefarious cheating above the other.

 

[Starfighter]

I think it's more the imagery of his wording though. When Steve starts mentioning 'the leadership group', I really can imagine them all standing around being like 'yeah good idea, we gotta do something out there'

Yes that's the issue. If he'd said 'things weren't happening so Me/Davey/whoever came up with this idea during drinks or whatever' it would be both much more clear and would seem less nefarious. By saying 'leadership group' I think he might have been trying not to name names.

I don't even like that we have a 'leadership group', which seems to be pretty much his NSW teammates. I've played in cliquey teams before and it really is not good on both a team and personal level.

 

[Starfighter]

By ball tampering standards, hastily concocting something up in the lunch break kind of is a conspiracy planned well ahead of time, though.

Usually it appears to be a spur of the moment thing where one player picks at the quarter seam, rubs it on their zipper etc, rather than actually having the captain ask the ball-shiner to take a foreign object out onto the field. Even though it's basically the same offence, to me one 'feels' like a level of nefarious cheating above the other.

People do know you can use those 'spur of the moment techniques' and no doubt consider their possibility and look for where they can employ them, and something like mints takes a bit of pre planning.

 

[social]

By ball tampering standards, hastily concocting something up in the lunch break kind of is a conspiracy planned well ahead of time, though.

Usually it appears to be a spur of the moment thing where one player picks at the quarter seam, rubs it on their zipper etc, rather than actually having the captain ask the ball-shiner to take a foreign object out onto the field. Even though it's basically the same offence, to me one 'feels' like a level of nefarious cheating above the other.

I agree in part

While I think it's a bit rich of Faf to claim that "shining" is better than "roughing up" (they are both seeking to achieve the same thing), the fact that an Australian team brought something onto the field with them to do so is just so ordinary

Having said that, Faf/Tresco etc werent sucking mints to combat bad breath either but it's nowhere near as bad a look

 

[Bahnz]

Heh, the news about Bancroft keeping sugar in his pocket during the ashes just makes me think of this

 

[cnerd123]

The Cricket Simpsons Meme FB page let me down where there was no Groundskeeper Willy meme after Scotland's D/L loss to WI

 

[stephen]

There's an element of "he doth protest too much" to these

waddya mean

It comes from Hamlet where Hamlet arranges a play to be shown to his uncle which mirrors the assassination of his father by his uncle to gain the throne. The uncle got very uncomfortable and stormed out, realising Hamlet knew the truth, just after Hamlet says the line.

 

[BeeGee]

What I love is the mental image of Lehmann on the walkie talkie to Handscomb, like this was some kind of major secret-op, except it was orchestrated by the Germans from Hogans Heroes.

There's more than a passing resemblance between Lehmann and Sgt Schultz. "I know nothing, nothing."

 

[Adders]

Stephen showing his cultured side........this thread really does have everything.

 

[MagicPoopShovel]

David Warner allegedly told English players how he used tape attached to his hand to tamper with the ball during the Ashes.

In a brazen act during the post-series drinks between the teams, Australia's vice-captain revealed his method of altering the ball's condition to a band of England's defeated players, Daily Mail Australia understands.

It revolves around the strapping the 31-year-old wears on the thumb and index finger of his left hand. Abrasive substances are then attached to the tape to rough up or dull one side of the ball - a crucial factor in promoting reverse swing.

David Warner 'tampered with the ball in the Ashes' | Daily Mail Online


Oh dear.

 

[quincywagstaff]

I have serious doubts about that story; surely even Warner couldn't be that stupid. And if he did do it, England would've been leaking to the press and/or complaining about it to the authorities straight away.

 

[Prince EWS]

even Warner couldn't be that stupid

I don't think this is ever true, regardless of what it's about.