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Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

cnerd123

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You did read the word "international" there right? Take a breath before going on a rant.
International cricket doesn't come with a different set of laws regarding ball tampering though.

The implication by Pycroft is probably that they felt Cameron was easily influenced by the peer pressure to do something he normally wouldn't. Ironic given how few people were willing to give Amir that benefit of the doubt for the no-balls.
 

StephenZA

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if Bancroft didn't tow the company line he'd be back home with Maxwell, Holland and Renshaw. Players will better batting records than his over the summer have been dumped unceremoniously.
And if that were true that would be the most terrifying aspect of it all....

I still think Bancroft was happy to do it.....
 

Spark

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International cricket doesn't come with a different set of laws regarding ball tampering though.

The implication by Pycroft is probably that they felt Cameron was easily influenced by the peer pressure to do something he normally wouldn't. Ironic given how few people were willing to give Amir that benefit of the doubt for the no-balls.
Yeah, but it had no implication for his punishment. The sentence makes perfect sense in context.
 

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International cricket doesn't come with a different set of laws regarding ball tampering though.

The implication by Pycroft is probably that they felt Cameron was easily influenced by the peer pressure to do something he normally wouldn't. Ironic given how few people were willing to give Amir that benefit of the doubt for the no-balls.
The actual quote doesn't suggest being young and just starting out was taken into consideration when it came to punishment.

Pycroft mentioned his age and inexperience in the context of hoping Bancroft will learn a lesson from the episode.
 

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Yes, outrageously there's a guy with 300 Test wickets in the side right now. Shocking selection to pick him.
Lyon's been quite disappointing in the series though apart from that first test where he ripped through a few top order wickets. Would personally fly Agar over for the extra batting and superior looks.
 

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And if that were true that would be the most terrifying aspect of it all....

I still think Bancroft was happy to do it.....
Bancroft doesn't strike me as the sharpest knife in the draw, tbh.........but as the weakest link in the team, you are in a lesser position to say no.
 

StephenZA

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The actual quote doesn't suggest being young and just starting out was taken into consideration when it came to punishment.

Pycroft mentioned his age and inexperience in the context of hoping Bancroft will learn a lesson from the episode.
If that was taken into consideration then Rabada should just have been grounded for a week with no TV....
 

cnerd123

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Lyon's been quite disappointing in the series though apart from that first test where he ripped through a few top order wickets. Would personally fly Agar over for the extra batting and superior looks.
Or even better, don't play a finger spinner.
 

Spark

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Lyon's been quite disappointing in the series though apart from that first test where he ripped through a few top order wickets. Would personally fly Agar over for the extra batting and superior looks.
Yeah he hasn't been great, and that's been a big reason we've actually struggled for penetration into the middle order IMO rather than keeping the pressure on. Still, anyone questioning why Holland isn't playing instead of him has said farewell to reason a long way back on the road.
 

Gob

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One thing that really went under the radar amidst all the chaos is that Blocky finally won. Happy for him
 

morgieb

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One thing that really went under the radar amidst all the chaos is that Blocky finally won. Happy for him
Yes, his reaction to everything that's happened to Smith in the last 18 months would be worth watching. From the best since Bradman to his reputation in tatters.
 

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Yes, outrageously there's a guy with 300 Test wickets in the side right now. Shocking selection to pick him.
Nobody is advocating that Holland replace Lyon (despite the latter's ordinary Ashes), however, the fact the Holland was omitted for squad for so long despite being the best domestic spinner in Australia in the last several years, speaks volumes on the lack of meritocracy in the current set-up.
 

morgieb

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Nobody is advocating that Holland replace Lyon (despite the latter's ordinary Ashes), however, the fact the Holland was omitted for squad for so long despite being the best domestic spinner in Australia in the last several years, speaks volumes on the lack of meritocracy in the current set-up.
Was he really ahead of O'Keefe for much of that period?

Possibly unlucky to be behind Agar but Agar's selection also had batting taken into account.
 

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Yes, outrageously there's a guy with 300 Test wickets in the side right now. Shocking selection to pick him.
Think as long as Lyon isn't linked to the ball tampering etc... his place is probably the most secure of any player in the side right now. Had a brilliant couple of years has 300 wickets and is young enough to comfortably reach 450+ and spinners usually keep improving into their 30's so he is the right age anyway. Why throw away the years of perseverance with him when he has suddenly been rewarding that.
 

Spark

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Was he really ahead of O'Keefe for much of that period?

Possibly unlucky to be behind Agar but Agar's selection also had batting taken into account.
The idea is that, once they decided that Lyon really was not going to be dropped (which took a long time!) then it became a question of what kind of 2nd spinner they wanted. O'Keefe/Lyon are more the pure frontline 2nd spinner role whereas Agar is more a spin-bowling all-rounder.
 

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