Baggy Green ball tampering: Bancroft, Smith and the Aussie "Leadership Group"

[Top_Cat]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...d-against-faf-du-plessis-20161122-gsupvm.html

Fabulous. Too much gold in that article to quote. Just read the whole damn thing.

 

[Spikey]

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Why would Steve Smith go when the example set by Victoria's Premier is that it's ok to break the rules and cheat. No leadership.

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careful, he'll create an account and block on you on here

 

[Gob]

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Good god

 

[Spark]

careful, he'll create an account and block on you on here

in hindsight i can't believe i missed the obvious opportunity for a lobster joke

 

[Spikey]

Ben Dorries gone to town and he is dead right.

https://www.racenet.com.au/news/com...is-take-on-the-australian-cricket-sc-20180325

no, he's a ****

I admit I didn't know the ins and outs of the pay war but did the players themselves still benefit ?

You guys will know Dorries more than me so he probably was coming in off his full run.

they benefited, but if CA had their way, Smith and Warner would have benefited more than than in the deal they got

 

[StephenZA]

Surprising Australia changed method of maintaining ball - Broad - ESPN Video - ESPNcricinfo

When you are losing the moral high ground to Stuart Broad....

 

[Bolo]

This is a surefire way to make sure the future response to any incident of this kind is just relentless denial, if "intent" is the critical thing and not the actual act.

Intent is always a poor defence, because it can never be proven. Except in this case. The fact that they came forward of their own accord is sufficient to prove intent, because there is zero reason for them to have done so unless the intent defence is accurate.

Regardless of what you think of the ball tampering itself (not justifiable IMO, but better than most tampering), the way they conducted themselves afterwards was extremely principled, and that sets the incident apart from this.

 

[Spark]

Intent is always a poor defence, because it can never be proven. Except in this case. The fact that they came forward of their own accord is sufficient to prove intent, because there is zero reason for them to have done so unless the intent defence is accurate.

Regardless of what you think of the ball tampering itself (not justifiable IMO, but better than most tampering), the way they conducted themselves afterwards was extremely principled, and that sets the incident apart from this.

To me that's a reason for not considering intent that carefully, and just focussing on the actual provable actions that happened.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Surprising Australia changed method of maintaining ball - Broad - ESPN Video - ESPNcricinfo

When you are losing the moral high ground to Stuart Broad....

I love the fact we put him up for interviews today. Fantastic that he gets a chance to twist the knife after what Lehmann said about him. Did it in a nice subtle way too helped by John Etheridge.

 

[Bolo]

To me that's a reason for not considering intent that carefully, and just focussing on the actual provable actions that happened.

This is how future incidents should be handled. Looking at intent sets a very poor precedent. This case is truly exceptional though. We'll never see another instance of a team cheating and falling on their sword by admitting to it without being caught- there's too much professionalism in cricket these days

 

[ImpatientLime]

thank you based broady

 

[Furball]

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thank you based broady

Gold.

 

[weldone]

I know nothing about Australian politics. But from this episode it sounds like their politicians are even worse than these cricketers.

 

[ajdude]

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thank you based broady

that is so savage, what a man broad is

 

[Spark]

I know nothing about Australian politics. But from this episode it sounds like their politicians are even worse than these cricketers.

Is there a country where this isn't true?

 

[Biryani Pillow]

As this appears to have come out of a 'team discussion' did not one member of this 'team' raise a hand and say "this is wrong"?

Bancroft loses 100% of his match fee, Smith the same and out of the next Test.

I saw earlier that under disciplinary regulations ball tampering was an immediate 2 Test ban.

CA will surely have to do rather more in the case of Smith.

 

[harsh.ag]

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thank you based broady

Grown up Broad is the man.

 

[Black_Warrior]

I know nothing about Australian politics. But from this episode it sounds like their politicians are even worse than these cricketers.

Yeah that's true in general though, nothing specific about Australia.

 

[Furball]

I know nothing

Rest of post not necessary.

 

[Black_Warrior]

As this appears to have come out of a 'team discussion' did not one member of this 'team' raise a hand and say "this is wrong"?

Cricketers do not consider this wrong though and this is why the official response to it is so amusing. The South African team response in 2016 was telling. The entire team came out in defense and said they did nothing wrong.

I mean back when Faf was banned, Smith and Warner knew that they do the same thing and they still claimed the moral high ground.

That's pretty much what Imran Khan wrote in his book, and the reaction to it was the same 'how can you say in public what everyone knows and keeps under the rug'

Smith doesn't believe the things he said in the press conference yesterday. This was not the first time and they will do it again. They will just try not to get caught.