Stuart clarke wasn't still trying to find his line & length. Don't have a problem with picking guys that age. But we aren't talking about potential when they reach that age.
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***Official*** South African Domestic Season 2017/18
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Dendarii
International Debutant
He does sound South African when he speaks (although I don't actually know what a Zambian accent sounds like), so I reckon he did the bulk of his schooling here.
GRAB
First Class Debutant
Current Top 20 plus others in top 40 career franchise 4-day batting averages (min 10 innings). "Current" defined loosely as e.g. Morkel only play one-days, Ontong retired mid-this-season, and Rossouw not playing for Knights actively (but then neither was van Zyl, til he was.)
# NAME M I AVE 50 00
1 MARKRAM 10 16 66,9 6 3
2 DUMINY 40 66 62,3 16 10
3 MORKEL J 44 69 51,4 15 6
4 DE VILLI'S 9 17 51,0 5 2
5 DE BRUYN 34 57 49,1 13 6
6 HAMZA 11 18 48,6 4 2
7 VAN ZYL 87 146 48,5 32 16
8 MULDER 12 18 47,0 2 2
9 AMLA 43 74 46,6 15 7
10 ONTONG 113 180 45,6 45 16
11 VAN BILJON 24 41 45,5 7 7
12 ROSSOUW 56 101 45,2 17 14
13 ELGAR 77 138 45,0 19 18
14 VERREYNE 8 12 44,8 3 0
15 ACKERMANN 38 69 44,7 20 7
16 SECOND 52 84 44,6 15 9
17 BAVUMA 47 83 43,8 13 8
18 VAN JAARS'D 95 156 42,4 38 18
19 VAN DER D'N 40 70 41,8 18 3
20 VAN WYK M 105 179 40,7 32 15
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22 PETERSEN K 18 29 40,2 6 2
24 BEHARDIEN 82 133 39,7 33 6
25 KLAASEN 17 28 39,5 4 3
27 DU PLESSIS 39 63 39,3 14 5
28 CHETTY 36 62 38,5 4 6
31 ERWEE 18 31 37,6 5 4
33 DE KOCK 14 26 36,8 7 2
34 PRETORIUS D 26 37 36,3 9 2
36 MILLER 53 80 36,0 14 6
37 MOORE 20 35 36,0 6 3
40 MGIJIMA 19 29 35,5 7 2
# NAME M I AVE 50 00
1 MARKRAM 10 16 66,9 6 3
2 DUMINY 40 66 62,3 16 10
3 MORKEL J 44 69 51,4 15 6
4 DE VILLI'S 9 17 51,0 5 2
5 DE BRUYN 34 57 49,1 13 6
6 HAMZA 11 18 48,6 4 2
7 VAN ZYL 87 146 48,5 32 16
8 MULDER 12 18 47,0 2 2
9 AMLA 43 74 46,6 15 7
10 ONTONG 113 180 45,6 45 16
11 VAN BILJON 24 41 45,5 7 7
12 ROSSOUW 56 101 45,2 17 14
13 ELGAR 77 138 45,0 19 18
14 VERREYNE 8 12 44,8 3 0
15 ACKERMANN 38 69 44,7 20 7
16 SECOND 52 84 44,6 15 9
17 BAVUMA 47 83 43,8 13 8
18 VAN JAARS'D 95 156 42,4 38 18
19 VAN DER D'N 40 70 41,8 18 3
20 VAN WYK M 105 179 40,7 32 15
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22 PETERSEN K 18 29 40,2 6 2
24 BEHARDIEN 82 133 39,7 33 6
25 KLAASEN 17 28 39,5 4 3
27 DU PLESSIS 39 63 39,3 14 5
28 CHETTY 36 62 38,5 4 6
31 ERWEE 18 31 37,6 5 4
33 DE KOCK 14 26 36,8 7 2
34 PRETORIUS D 26 37 36,3 9 2
36 MILLER 53 80 36,0 14 6
37 MOORE 20 35 36,0 6 3
40 MGIJIMA 19 29 35,5 7 2
Marius
International Debutant
His parents may have been SAn but could have been in exile during apartheid, and the came back when things changed.
I know Monde Zondeki, Steve Tshwete's nephew, spent a lot of time in Zambia because of this.
Marius
International Debutant
Nonsense man. Here's the Ugandan squad from last year's WCL, none of those names sound Saffa.
Uganda Squad | ICC World Cricket League Division Three, 2017 | Cricket Squads | ESPNcricinfo
GRAB
First Class Debutant
GRAB
First Class Debutant
Current Top 20 franchise 4-day bowlers, minimum 15 wickets. Plus notables 20-40. Travis Muller is an anomaly as he hasn't played first team in ages - looks to have jumped ship to NZ this season actually, so may need to be removed. Mothoa I guess is an anomaly too as I've seen him bowl, and how? How can be anything but cannon fodder except on something really sticky from New Zealand.
Cherry-picking: Only left arm quick in top 20 - Beuran; only others in top 40 are Parnell and Rowan Richards, neither of whom I added as notables...
Spinners have a spread of disciplines: Tahir shouldn't be in the running for a test return at his age, Shamsi left-arm wrist is the 2nd statistically, but his lack of penetration so far in international cricket, and our confusion with what to DO with a left-arm wrist spinner seems to limit his opportunities. Incumbent Maharaj is next and is left-arm orthodox. Then Dolphins rival Muthusamy also lefty. Best Righties are Harmer and Piedt, only Piedt is in for selection. Out of top 40 with career average of 34,1 is von Berg, who is IN FORM, and therefore seems to be next cab off the ranks - despite form being averaging worse than his career average... I guess it's WEIGHT of wickets?
# NAME M W AVE S/R 5/10
01 NGIDI 004 020 16,2 32,4 01/0 RF
02 STEYN 021 107 19,5 39,8 07/2 RMF
03 MULLER 006 023 19,7 32,6 02/0 RFM?
04 PHILANDER 060 219 19,8 46,3 08/0 RFM
05 ABBOTT 038 147 20,4 47,0 10/2 RMF
06 MORRIS 022 101 21,0 41,0 01/1 RMF
07 MULDER 012 038 21,5 38,4 01/0 RFM
08 OLIVIER 027 120 23,1 45,3 08/1 RMF
09 RABADA 011 046 24,2 48,1 02/1 RF
10 PRETORIUSD 026 080 24,3 54,3 04/0 RFM
11 TAHIR 041 204 24,7 44,0 16/5 RLS
12 HENDRICKSB 035 120 24,8 44,8 05/0 LMF
13 MCLAREN 055 196 25,5 52,6 09/1 RFM
14 VILJOEN 052 226 25,9 42,9 15/2 RMF
15 MOTHOA 007 017 26,4 63,4 00/0 RM?
16 SHAMSI 016 077 26,5 45,5 05/2 LCS
17 BOKAKO 008 025 26,8 46,8 00/0 RFM?
18 BIRCH 064 203 27,0 54,5 08/0 RFM
19 JAMISON 011 034 27,3 44,1 00/0 RMF?
20 KLEINVELDT 086 245 27,4 59,6 11/1 RMF
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21 PATERSON 042 135 27,6 52,9 04/0 RMF
22 MAHARAJ 034 145 27,8 57,3 11/2 LAS
24 DUPAVILLON 016 053 28,5 49,1 03/0 RMF?
25 SAVAGE 017 045 28,8 52,8 01/0 RMF?
26 DRY 018 048 28,8 56,6 02/0 RMF
27 MUTHUSAMY 018 049 28,9 51,0 01/0 LAS
32 NORTJE 013 045 29,7 50,6 02/0 RMF?
39 HARMER 061 238 32,0 63,0 10/2 ROS
40 PIEDT 008 161 32,8 62,8 09/0 ROS
Cherry-picking: Only left arm quick in top 20 - Beuran; only others in top 40 are Parnell and Rowan Richards, neither of whom I added as notables...
Spinners have a spread of disciplines: Tahir shouldn't be in the running for a test return at his age, Shamsi left-arm wrist is the 2nd statistically, but his lack of penetration so far in international cricket, and our confusion with what to DO with a left-arm wrist spinner seems to limit his opportunities. Incumbent Maharaj is next and is left-arm orthodox. Then Dolphins rival Muthusamy also lefty. Best Righties are Harmer and Piedt, only Piedt is in for selection. Out of top 40 with career average of 34,1 is von Berg, who is IN FORM, and therefore seems to be next cab off the ranks - despite form being averaging worse than his career average... I guess it's WEIGHT of wickets?
# NAME M W AVE S/R 5/10
01 NGIDI 004 020 16,2 32,4 01/0 RF
02 STEYN 021 107 19,5 39,8 07/2 RMF
03 MULLER 006 023 19,7 32,6 02/0 RFM?
04 PHILANDER 060 219 19,8 46,3 08/0 RFM
05 ABBOTT 038 147 20,4 47,0 10/2 RMF
06 MORRIS 022 101 21,0 41,0 01/1 RMF
07 MULDER 012 038 21,5 38,4 01/0 RFM
08 OLIVIER 027 120 23,1 45,3 08/1 RMF
09 RABADA 011 046 24,2 48,1 02/1 RF
10 PRETORIUSD 026 080 24,3 54,3 04/0 RFM
11 TAHIR 041 204 24,7 44,0 16/5 RLS
12 HENDRICKSB 035 120 24,8 44,8 05/0 LMF
13 MCLAREN 055 196 25,5 52,6 09/1 RFM
14 VILJOEN 052 226 25,9 42,9 15/2 RMF
15 MOTHOA 007 017 26,4 63,4 00/0 RM?
16 SHAMSI 016 077 26,5 45,5 05/2 LCS
17 BOKAKO 008 025 26,8 46,8 00/0 RFM?
18 BIRCH 064 203 27,0 54,5 08/0 RFM
19 JAMISON 011 034 27,3 44,1 00/0 RMF?
20 KLEINVELDT 086 245 27,4 59,6 11/1 RMF
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21 PATERSON 042 135 27,6 52,9 04/0 RMF
22 MAHARAJ 034 145 27,8 57,3 11/2 LAS
24 DUPAVILLON 016 053 28,5 49,1 03/0 RMF?
25 SAVAGE 017 045 28,8 52,8 01/0 RMF?
26 DRY 018 048 28,8 56,6 02/0 RMF
27 MUTHUSAMY 018 049 28,9 51,0 01/0 LAS
32 NORTJE 013 045 29,7 50,6 02/0 RMF?
39 HARMER 061 238 32,0 63,0 10/2 ROS
40 PIEDT 008 161 32,8 62,8 09/0 ROS
Marius
International Debutant
One guy. Three years ago. Hardly a trend.
SeamUp
International Coach
A Mickey Mouse Union for a long time now. Crazy to think they have the best pipeline in SA and their resources will be up there as the best in the country too.
https://www.iol.co.za/sport/cricket...veld-lions-coach-hanging-by-a-thread-13691516
https://www.iol.co.za/sport/cricket...veld-lions-coach-hanging-by-a-thread-13691516
SeamUp
International Coach
Since re-admission would I be right in saying he is the 6th player to play for SA not born in SA for all 3 formats ?
Dendarii
International Debutant
That's what I come up with as well. There could possibly have been some random births in other countries, but the ones I know of apart from Dala are Tahir (Pakistan), Harris, Elworthy, Benkenstein (all Zimbabwe), and Bodi (India).
SeamUp
International Coach
Dendarii
International Debutant
There is one other who could count as a sneaky option if the question is worded in the appropriate way. John Traicos was born in Egypt and played in South Africa's final series before isolation, and did play test cricket after South Africa was readmitted, but for Zimbabwe.
SeamUp
International Coach
Yup. Unlikely his 22 year gap between tests will ever be broken !
SeamUp
International Coach
Cobras slip cordon in practice this morning at Newlands.
Verreynne (wk)
van Zyl
Puttick
Piedt
Hamza
Wonder if Putters is going to retire at the end of the season. Great career and I think they will be targeting the 4-day Sunfoil Series trophy for the perfect send off.
Verreynne (wk)
van Zyl
Puttick
Piedt
Hamza
Wonder if Putters is going to retire at the end of the season. Great career and I think they will be targeting the 4-day Sunfoil Series trophy for the perfect send off.
SeamUp
International Coach
Always nice to highlight up-and-coming players & cusp provincial-franchise players.
Batting the focus.
3-DAY PROVINCIAL SERIES
WESTERN PROVINCE
Verreynne 182 @ 60.66 (Keeper) National Academy 2017
Hamza 303 @ 60.60 National Academy 2015
Galiem 374 @ 34.00 National Academy 2016
J.Smith 203 @ 33.83 National Academy 2016
P.Malan 180 @ 30.00
Q.Adams 167 @ 20.87
BOLAND
Bedingham 660 @ 50.76
F.Adams 389 @ 48.62
Vasconcelos 436 @ 36.33 (Keeper)
Khomari 171 @ 21.37
EASTERN PROVINCE
K. Smuts 646 @ 64.60
Koekemoer 287 @ 57.40
Fortuin 156 @ 39.00 (Keeper) National Academy 2015
White 381 @ 34.63 National Academy 2015
Breetzke 181 @ 30.16 National Academy 2018
Moore 235 @ 23.50
Ngoepe 63 @ 12.60 National Academy 2016
KZN COASTAL
Makhanya 276 @ 69.00 National Academy 2016
E.Bosch 267 @ 66.75 National Academy 2018
Oakes 448 @ 49.77 (Keeper)
Muthusamy 287 @ 35.87 National Academy 2017
Savage 268 @ 33.50 National Academy 2014
M.Ackerman 67 @ 16.75 National Academy 2016
KZN INLAND
Roelofsen 694 @ 69.40 (Keeper)
NORTHERN CAPE
W.Coetsee 208 @ 104.00
K.Petersen 186 @ 62.00
Mokoena 158 @ 39.50
Kruger 156 @ 39.00 National Academy 2016
Mnyanda 215 @ 16.53
FREE STATE
Botha 668 @ 66.80
Gous 514 @ 46.72 (Keeper) National Academy 2015
van Biljon 273 @ 45.50
Rosier 388 @ 43.11 National Academy 2015
du Plooy 427 @ 42.70 National Academy 2016
van Tonder 129 @ 32.25 National Academy 2018
GAUTENG
Rickelton 562 @ 46.83 (Keeper) National Academy 2018
Y.Valli 252 @ 31.50 National Academy 2017
D.Hendricks 364 @ 30.33
Dithole 449 @ 26.41 National Academy 2018
NORTH WEST
J.Malan 1046 @ 95.09 National Academy 2017
Lubbe 363 @ 72.60 National Academy 2017
M.Ackerman 206 @ 68.66 National Academy 2016
Rapulana 727 @ 55.92 National Academy 2018
(They must be playing on feather beds. Also shows how Marques Ackerman has had to try adapt and grow his game in Durban with his runs for KZN C lacking in the longer format)
NORTHERNS
Agathangelou 345 @ 69.00
Moonsamy 235 @ 39.16 (Keeper) National Academy 2016
Kaber 326 @ 36.22 National Academy 2017
C.Bosch 142 @ 35.50 National Academy 2015 (Fast-bowler)
M.Pretorius 243 @ 30.37 National Academy 2017 (Fast-Bowler)
de Zorzi 233 @ 25.88 National Academy 2018
Pillay 122 @ 12.20 National Academy 2018
In the 50-over stuff good to see some of the guys playing there doing well too
J.Malan 431 @ 53.87 @ 90.73
Moore 331 @ 47.28 @ 88.73
Rickelton 331 @ 55.16 @ 80.92
Bedingham 282 @ 70.50 @ 81.03
Savage 263 @ 87.66 @ 101.15
Gous 224 @ 44.80 @ 87.50
Batting the focus.
3-DAY PROVINCIAL SERIES
WESTERN PROVINCE
Verreynne 182 @ 60.66 (Keeper) National Academy 2017
Hamza 303 @ 60.60 National Academy 2015
Galiem 374 @ 34.00 National Academy 2016
J.Smith 203 @ 33.83 National Academy 2016
P.Malan 180 @ 30.00
Q.Adams 167 @ 20.87
BOLAND
Bedingham 660 @ 50.76
F.Adams 389 @ 48.62
Vasconcelos 436 @ 36.33 (Keeper)
Khomari 171 @ 21.37
EASTERN PROVINCE
K. Smuts 646 @ 64.60
Koekemoer 287 @ 57.40
Fortuin 156 @ 39.00 (Keeper) National Academy 2015
White 381 @ 34.63 National Academy 2015
Breetzke 181 @ 30.16 National Academy 2018
Moore 235 @ 23.50
Ngoepe 63 @ 12.60 National Academy 2016
KZN COASTAL
Makhanya 276 @ 69.00 National Academy 2016
E.Bosch 267 @ 66.75 National Academy 2018
Oakes 448 @ 49.77 (Keeper)
Muthusamy 287 @ 35.87 National Academy 2017
Savage 268 @ 33.50 National Academy 2014
M.Ackerman 67 @ 16.75 National Academy 2016
KZN INLAND
Roelofsen 694 @ 69.40 (Keeper)
NORTHERN CAPE
W.Coetsee 208 @ 104.00
K.Petersen 186 @ 62.00
Mokoena 158 @ 39.50
Kruger 156 @ 39.00 National Academy 2016
Mnyanda 215 @ 16.53
FREE STATE
Botha 668 @ 66.80
Gous 514 @ 46.72 (Keeper) National Academy 2015
van Biljon 273 @ 45.50
Rosier 388 @ 43.11 National Academy 2015
du Plooy 427 @ 42.70 National Academy 2016
van Tonder 129 @ 32.25 National Academy 2018
GAUTENG
Rickelton 562 @ 46.83 (Keeper) National Academy 2018
Y.Valli 252 @ 31.50 National Academy 2017
D.Hendricks 364 @ 30.33
Dithole 449 @ 26.41 National Academy 2018
NORTH WEST
J.Malan 1046 @ 95.09 National Academy 2017
Lubbe 363 @ 72.60 National Academy 2017
M.Ackerman 206 @ 68.66 National Academy 2016
Rapulana 727 @ 55.92 National Academy 2018
(They must be playing on feather beds. Also shows how Marques Ackerman has had to try adapt and grow his game in Durban with his runs for KZN C lacking in the longer format)
NORTHERNS
Agathangelou 345 @ 69.00
Moonsamy 235 @ 39.16 (Keeper) National Academy 2016
Kaber 326 @ 36.22 National Academy 2017
C.Bosch 142 @ 35.50 National Academy 2015 (Fast-bowler)
M.Pretorius 243 @ 30.37 National Academy 2017 (Fast-Bowler)
de Zorzi 233 @ 25.88 National Academy 2018
Pillay 122 @ 12.20 National Academy 2018
In the 50-over stuff good to see some of the guys playing there doing well too
J.Malan 431 @ 53.87 @ 90.73
Moore 331 @ 47.28 @ 88.73
Rickelton 331 @ 55.16 @ 80.92
Bedingham 282 @ 70.50 @ 81.03
Savage 263 @ 87.66 @ 101.15
Gous 224 @ 44.80 @ 87.50
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SeamUp
International Coach
Zubay Hamza changed from Slazenger to DP
No one even uses Slazenger these days ? Kallis and Pollock used them basically for their whole careers.
Slazenger becoming like County, Stuart Surridge, Duncan Ferneley dying a slow death.
Outside GM, Kookaburra and Gray-Nicolls not many of the original cricket bat makes thriving.
Got your Puma, New Balance, Spartan, IXU, DP, BAS these days.
No one even uses Slazenger these days ? Kallis and Pollock used them basically for their whole careers.
Slazenger becoming like County, Stuart Surridge, Duncan Ferneley dying a slow death.
Outside GM, Kookaburra and Gray-Nicolls not many of the original cricket bat makes thriving.
Got your Puma, New Balance, Spartan, IXU, DP, BAS these days.
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SeamUp
International Coach
JJ Smuts getting the last wicket the weekend before last to seal victory over the Titans
Don't know where the 11th Warriors player is but these field sets are the one's to remember !
https://twitter.com/WarriorsCrickEC/status/970976044302897152
Don't know where the 11th Warriors player is but these field sets are the one's to remember !
https://twitter.com/WarriorsCrickEC/status/970976044302897152
SeamUp
International Coach
Klaasen, Mulder likely to play Sunfoil Series starting tomorrow.
Ashwell Prince says Bavuma isn't ready but will see when the squad comes out.
WARRIORS squad vs Knights in East London
1 change : Border captain comes in for Colin Ackermann on his home ground
Andrew Birch fancies he comes in to the XI
Eddie Moore
Gihahn Cloete
Yaseen Vallie
Jon-Jon Smuts (c)
Lesiba Ngoepe
Clyde Fortuin (wk)
Simon Harmer
Sisanda Magala
Andrew Birch
Anrich Nortje
Tladi Bokako
Aya Gqamane
Gionne Koopman
Ashwell Prince says Bavuma isn't ready but will see when the squad comes out.
WARRIORS squad vs Knights in East London
1 change : Border captain comes in for Colin Ackermann on his home ground
Andrew Birch fancies he comes in to the XI
Eddie Moore
Gihahn Cloete
Yaseen Vallie
Jon-Jon Smuts (c)
Lesiba Ngoepe
Clyde Fortuin (wk)
Simon Harmer
Sisanda Magala
Andrew Birch
Anrich Nortje
Tladi Bokako
Aya Gqamane
Gionne Koopman
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