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How did India become the No. 1 Test Side?

Stefan9

International Debutant
If SA is planning on serving sporting tracks then 5 bowlers are completely unnecessary. They will get hammered against team like Australia who are used to these conditions much more than Indians are.
Aus record lately on any track that swings or seam doesn't inspire confidence either.

Both sides batting is vulnerable. SA has the superior bowling attack. Aus has a good attack no doudt but kg,philander, Steyn, Maharaj & morkel/ngidi is as good as you get currently.

If SA can contain Smith they have a great chance.
 

Chrish

International Debutant
Aus record lately on any track that swings or seam doesn't inspire confidence either.

Both sides batting is vulnerable.
SA has the superior bowling attack. Aus has a good attack no doudt but kg,philander, Steyn, Maharaj & morkel/ngidi is as good as you get currently.

If SA can contain Smith they have a great chance.
That's the whole point though.. If you know that the conditions will be bowling friendly, then why do you need an extra bowler? It will add no apparent benefit and only weaken the batting depth in conditions where extra 40 runs can decide the fate of the game.
 

Slifer

International Captain
That's the whole point though.. If you know that the conditions will be bowling friendly, then why do you need an extra bowler? It will add no apparent benefit and only weaken the batting depth in conditions where extra 40 runs can decide the fate of the game.
Awta. Not a fan of five bowlers. None of the champion teams from the past have ever needed 5 front line bowlers. I sure as hell wouldn't play 6 batsmen vs Oz's potent attack.
 

Gob

International Coach
Aus record lately on any track that swings or seam doesn't inspire confidence either.

Both sides batting is vulnerable. SA has the superior bowling attack. Aus has a good attack no doudt but kg,philander, Steyn, Maharaj & morkel/ngidi is as good as you get currently.

If SA can contain Smith they have a great chance.
Would Steyn be back? I'd say both attacks are about even without him
 

stephen

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Aus record lately on any track that swings or seam doesn't inspire confidence either.

Both sides batting is vulnerable. SA has the superior bowling attack. Aus has a good attack no doudt but kg,philander, Steyn, Maharaj & morkel/ngidi is as good as you get currently.

If SA can contain Smith they have a great chance.
Without Steyn Australia has a better attack if only because Lyon is better than Maharaj. With Steyn South Africa has the better attack. Either way the gap isn't huge.

Both batting lineups are collapsible and this should be one cracker of a test series.
 

Burgey

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If both teams play five bowlers there is potential for genuine carnage in this series, with barely three day tests on the cards if the wickets are helpful to the quicks. Massive test for MMarsh this series. If he makes runs batting six against the SA attack then he'll have cemented his spot for the foreseeable future.
 

Victor Ian

International Coach
Fancy dropping the best ever AB pic from your avatar. I hope that's your son in the new one, otherwise that's sacrilege
 

Burgey

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It is indeed AB in the new avatar. The old one will return in time.

I named him so he’d have those initials tbh.
 

StephenZA

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Would Steyn be back? I'd say both attacks are about even without him
Philander is better than Hazelwood; Rabada has arguably been the best fast bowler in the world the last 12 months. Morkel is bowling better than he ever has. While I rate the Aus bowling attack, I don't think you could say that they are about even, SA definitely has an edge even without Steyn.

Without Steyn Australia has a better attack if only because Lyon is better than Maharaj. With Steyn South Africa has the better attack. Either way the gap isn't huge.

Both batting lineups are collapsible and this should be one cracker of a test series.
What makes you say that? Lyon is more experienced than Maharaj but I don't think he is outright better. Maharaj was SA's second highest wicket taker in 2017, and has been doing a brilliant job. Last time they both bowled on the same pitch Maharaj outbowled Lyon in Perth (not counting Hobart game since speedsters where enough for SA). Particularly considering Maharaj will have home field advantage.

Anyway in a couple of months time we shall have an answer.....
 

StephenZA

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Lyon is well ahead of Maharaj based on 2017.
Why?

All-round records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo
All-round records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo

Lyon taken more wickets, but bowled many more overs and has a higher avg. Played in India, Bangladesh, spin friendly conditions, and at home against Eng. Maharaj has taken less wickets but bowled many less overs with a better avg, And basically played all his cricket outside SA, on generally un-spin friendly pitches.

Problem is people ignore Maharaj because he is not the star of the SA line-up but to outright say that Lyon is far superior is disingenuous. Lyon has bowled really well and he is probably a touch better (due to experience) than Maharaj but I don't think he is leagues ahead like what is being implied.
 
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R!TTER

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Why?

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All-round records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo

Lyon
taken more wickets, but bowled many more overs and has a higher avg. Played in India, Bangladesh, spin friendly conditions, and at home against Eng. Maharaj has taken less wickets but bowled many less overs with a better avg, And basically played all his cricket outside SA, on generally un-spin friendly pitches.

Problem is people ignore Maharaj because he is not the star of the SA line-up but to outright say that Lyon is far superior is disingenuous. Lyon has bowled really well and he is probably a touch better (due to experience) than Maharaj but I don't think he is leagues ahead like what is being implied.
He isn't, not based on stats alone. Lyon though has gone through the peaks & troughs, has hit a purple patch of late & seems to be doing well consistently. Maharaj just started his career, we're yet to see his peak or trough, more importantly we'll see if he can emerge relatively unscathed after an extended rut - like Lyon. The next 4-5 years should be a good contest between them, Keshav does have an enormous edge with the bat though.
 

OverratedSanity

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Bowling well in Asia isn't easy as an overseas spinner at all tbh. The vast majority of them come to India thinking the spin friendly tracks will help them but you need to bowl well, and more to the point differently than you do in non-SC conditions. Lyon proved himself in a huge way on that tour to India and he's always done well in Australia which is about as different conditions for a spinner as you can imagine. Deserves massive kudos for that.
 

Daemon

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Lyon is well ahead in terms of career rating or whatever because of the body of work he has behind him, but I agree that they're not that different in terms of bowling ability at this point.

Definitely rate Lyon more but to me it's not a big enough factor to overlook the fact that Rabada+Philander are better than anything Australia has.
 

StephenZA

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Lyon is well ahead in terms of career rating or whatever because of the body of work he has behind him, but I agree that they're not that different in terms of bowling ability at this point.

Definitely rate Lyon more but to me it's not a big enough factor to overlook the fact that Rabada+Philander are better than anything Australia has.
This 100%.
 

Burgey

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I think that’s right. But if SA plays five bowlers it brings Australia massively into it. And I say that as someone who thinks Australia playing MMarsh at six over there is a massive gamble
 

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