Stokes Arrested

[sledger]

I think some of you have been drinking what Stokes was drinking to be honest.

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As for S.Kennedy. Well, he doesn't make posts that aren't wrong and/or ****. From that I am sure you are more than capable of drawing your own conclusions.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Agree to disagree. I think a few of you could learn what that phrase means and how it operates in practice.

 

[Daemon]

Kennedy, have you ever been locked up in these drunk tanks before?

 

[S.Kennedy]

PS

How many conversations is it now, whereby I intensely annoy you lot, Stokes's boozed-up benders being the latest addition to my growing list?

Aforementioned Stokes escapade
Sehwag's one-day skills
England's one-day team
Twenty20 - especially the franchised sort
ECB politics/proposals

Five unless I forgot some. And I haven't even discussed the subject of Shane Warne yet!

 

[S.Kennedy]

Kennedy, have you ever been locked up in these drunk tanks before?

Not me personally but I know people who have been banged up overnight, including for incidents similar to Stokes's.

I actually know somebody from school who did community service for beaten somebody up worse than Stokes's victim and he already had previous cautions. One week later he was in Newcastle Crown Court being sentenced. Around eight months as I recall cleaning up graffiti and dog ****. Open and shut case. Captured on CCTV presumably given the location.

 

[StephenZA]

Not me personally but I know people who have been banged up overnight, including for incidents similar to Stokes's.

I actually know somebody from school who did community service for beaten somebody up worse than Stokes's victim and he already had previous cautions. One week later he was in Newcastle Crown Court being sentenced. Around eight months as I recall cleaning up graffiti and dog ****. Open and shut case. Captured on CCTV presumably given the location.

But this is a perfect example of an anecdotal straw man argument.... I have had a friend, I have seen this... therefore I can make a generalized statement saying that the stokes case is.... but when somebody points out (who`s expertise is in law) that you generalized assumptions and opinions are not true you continue to beat your drum. Yes people are going to get irritated...

Simply try not make broad generalized statements that you only have anecdotal evidence for....

 

[sledger]

Yeah.

Some guy down the pub told me...

Just dross posting.

 

[S.Kennedy]

But this is a perfect example of an anecdotal straw man argument.... I have had a friend, I have seen this... therefore I can make a generalized statement saying that the stokes case is.... but when somebody points out (who`s expertise is in law) that you generalized assumptions and opinions are not true you continue to beat your drum. Yes people are going to get irritated...

Simply try not make broad generalized statements that you only have anecdotal evidence for....

I've never known any of these incidents be investigated that long, and I have (and I know some think I am lying here) seen incidents like that frequently where I live at the weekends late at night. But maybe Somerset police operate differently from Northumbria police? Maybe Somerset police are more thorough and simply better? Maybe there is something about this case we do not know about? My original post which - it goes without saying - was sarcastically scrutinised by a certain poster who follows me round everywhere was that the ''ECB have been left with their dicks in their hands''. This was my original post which sparked this off - you can go back and confirm it. A fairly innocuous post really. This comment is irrefutable (I think Strauss would certainly agree) so long as this is not wrapped-up and the ECB cannot implement their own decision, Ashes series imminent. It was not as if I was even assigning blame to the ECB (a first perhaps) for their decision to suspend Ben Stokes, and my joke about the police taking longer than The Great Train Robbery and McCann disappearance was obviously just that: a joke - as were some of my sordid descriptions about British late night urban culture.

But then this further again got skewed to the extent that some implied I was defending Ben Stokes - ''keeping on making the same wrong thing doesn't magically make it right'' - and that Stokes should be allowed to ''fly out and play a couple of warm up games'', police investigation pending. I was clearly not defending Ben Stokes and believe the ECB's suspension justified. I wouldn't have called him a 'wanker' if I was defending him. I wouldn't have recently criticised Stokes and his PR agent (or at least the people around him) for certain post-facto photos guaranteed to leak to tabloids of the ilk of The Mirror. I even argued with a well known fellow Durham supporter who posts here - you know who? - who was defending Ben Stokes.

So where does that leave everything? You mentioned 'straw man'? I've been bombarded with straw men at every stage.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Yeah.

Some guy down the pub told me...

Just dross posting.

Somebody from high school actually.

 

[sledger]

I've never known any of these incidents be investigated that long, and I have (and I know some think I am lying here) seen incidents like that frequently where I live at the weekends late at night. But maybe Somerset police operate differently from Northumbria police? Maybe Somerset police are more thorough and simply better? Maybe there is something about this case we do not know about? My original post which - it goes without saying - was sarcastically scrutinised by a certain poster who follows me round everywhere was that the ''ECB have been left with their dicks in their hands''. This was my original post which sparked this off - you can go back and confirm it. A fairly innocuous post really. This comment is irrefutable (I think Strauss would certainly agree) so long as this is not wrapped-up and the ECB cannot implement their own decision, Ashes series imminent. It was not as if I was even assigning blame to the ECB (a first perhaps) for their decision to suspend Ben Stokes, and my joke about the police taking longer than The Great Train Robbery and McCann disappearance was obviously just that: a joke - as were some of my sordid descriptions about British late night urban culture.

But then this further again got skewed to the extent that some implied I was defending Ben Stokes - ''keeping on making the same wrong thing doesn't magically make it right'' - and that Stokes should be allowed to ''fly out and play a couple of warm up games'', police investigation pending. I was clearly not defending Ben Stokes and believe the ECB's suspension justified. I wouldn't have called him a 'wanker' if I was defending him. I wouldn't have recently criticised Stokes and his PR agent (or at least the people around him) for certain post-facto photos guaranteed to leak to tabloids of the ilk of The Mirror. I even argued with a well known fellow Durham supporter who posts here - you know who? - who was defending Ben Stokes.

So where does that leave everything? You mentioned 'straw man'? I've been bombarded with straw men at every stage.

This is because, as has been pointed out to you many times, you know jack **** about the topic.

 

[S.Kennedy]

This is because, as has been pointed out to you many times, you know jack **** about the topic.

You know you could merely say, ''I disagree with you''. You could even say, ''I disagree with you profusely''. You could even say, ''I have never disagreed with somebody so adamantly in my life as I do with you on this subject''. I do not see the great need for someone to insult somebody, swearing and telling them to ''shut up'', or that they ''know jack ****'' about the subject, just because they disagree with their opinions, but I suppose it is your style and manner. (From my experience the first sign of an ad hominem implies conversational defeat for the user.)

 

[sledger]

You knowing jack **** about the criminal justice system is not an opinion. It is entirely factual.

 

[harsh.ag]

How about just supplying some case law and putting this to bed, sledger?

 

[Lillian Thomson]

How about just supplying some case law and putting this to bed, sledger?

A bit difficult without the case facts. All we’ve seen is a street brawl and someone getting flattened. The claim that this happens every day in every city in Britain and no one is ever charged so Stokes should be let off is baseless.

 

[sledger]

How about just supplying some case law and putting this to bed, sledger?

Not really a legal principle that is at issue here tbh. More of a criminal justice process matter at this point.

 

[cnerd123]

Sledger needs to be arrested for his assault on S Kennedy IMO

 

[Adders]

Sledger needs to be arrested for his assault on S Kennedy IMO

Dont be ****ing ridiculous. That sort of fracas happens all over the forum on any given night.......a night in the bin and a slap on the wrist from the mods is the standard response. This is only a thing because sledger is such a well known figure.

 

[cnerd123]

Dont be ****ing ridiculous. That sort of fracas happens all over the forum on any given night.......a night in the bin and a slap on the wrist from the mods is the standard response. This is only a thing because sledger is such a well known figure.

Really selling us on the merits of your forum here

 

[Daemon]

Really selling us on the merits of your forum here

Would much rather have a night out at Real Chennai Forums

 

[Adders]

Really selling us on the merits of your forum here

I didn't even get around to mentioning the smell of blood, stale piss and vomit yet........though this does seem to be more prevalent in the Northern subforums.