fredfertang
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Expect sledger to be up for that too
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Stokes Arrested
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sledger
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Well, there goes my afternoon.
Burgey
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Omg this is a thing.
StephenZA
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Nobody wants to lose a player the quality of Stokes, but I do think that his effect on the ashes is being overrated (whether we find out or not!).
I would be much more upset as an England supporter to lose a player like Moeen Ali and I`m pretty sure people would not be saying we`ve lossed the Ashes if Moeen was not on the tour...
I would be much more upset as an England supporter to lose a player like Moeen Ali and I`m pretty sure people would not be saying we`ve lossed the Ashes if Moeen was not on the tour...
Adders
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Indeed, he is an important part of the balance and make of our team now.........but no way is he that pivotal that we lose all hope if he's not there.
At the end of the day if England are to win these Ashes we're going to need every player to be right at the top of their game......every single one. Stokes in the squad or not doesn't change that at all.
Re your comment on Mo.....do you say that because he is such a likeable cricketer and Stokes......well isn't. Or because you think he is more valuable to the side than Stokes?
StephenZA
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I actually think Moeen is a more valuable player, just like Stokes can take a game away with the bat, but how many spinners does Eng have at the moment that can tie up the batsmen and take wickets? Stokes is an excellent talent that balances the team, but it is not like his bowling changes that much with a team that has so many allrounders. Moeen is not easily replaced, Stokes is.
And of course the beard is just cooler....
Woodster
International Captain
I don't think the impact of Stokes potentially not going to Australia is being over exaggerated, he is a huge player for this side. I always err on the side of optimism anyway so I wouldn't entirely rule us out if he doesn't go, but our chances of succeeding over there will take a massive hit if Stokes doesn't make it. His batting at six has assisted in a big way our frailties in the top 5 and the pressure that has on Cook and Root, he doesn't just score when the going is good, he can dig in in pressurised situations and not just make a nice 30 or 40, he gets centuries. A fifth bowler will be a necessity for us on this trip and he gives us that without going in with fewer batsmen. He can bowl aggressively or with a bit of swing around can be a real threat.
I know I'm just stating the obvious with those points, but when you have a player that gives so much, it is impossible for that not to have a sizeable impact.
I know I'm just stating the obvious with those points, but when you have a player that gives so much, it is impossible for that not to have a sizeable impact.
Gnske
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One less schmuck who can't play a bouncer
Starfighter
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Is Moeen more likely to take wickets and tie up batsmen than Stokes in Australia though? Swann's record here wasn't that great and he was a significantly better bowler. And Stokes is likely to better with the bat here. I don't buy that he's easily replaceable. England is playing three allrounders, but Woakes is playing as more or less a specialist bowler and Moeen will be less effective here. Even though they are playing that many allrounders there's still only five bowling options, all of which will be required down here (unless a miracle occurs and we get sporting pitches). If you replace Stokes with a bowler you remove much needed batting, and if you replace him with a batsmen you lose his also needed bowling. Yes the same goes for Moeen but probably not to the same extent in Australian conditions.
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Look at all those riveting debates on Higher Education.
NZTailender
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Moonsorrow999
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I'd keep the police close by if that's the case, possibly even Dogwatch.
Woodster
International Captain
You not think they're just going to continually pepper him with the short stuff?? He might fall lucky with one or two hooks but on the bigger grounds he's surely going to hold out more often than not, or am I underestimating his ability to play the short ball ? I'm certain he's going to be working pretty hard on it before the series gets underway.