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*** Official*** South Africa in England 2017

harsh.ag

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Yeah. TRJ and Rashid both have to come in. TRJ bats a bit too, so that's another notch in the long tail.

Edit: Ideally they should have another proper batsman instead of the second spinner, but they seem to have made up their mind otherwise.
 

Daemon

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Yeah. TRJ and Rashid both have to come in. TRJ bats a bit too, so that's another notch in the long tail.

Edit: Ideally they should have another proper batsman instead of the second spinner, but they seem to have made up their mind otherwise.
Rashid is not required. Replace Wood with the next best bowler in the country and Dawson with the next best bat. Simple.
 

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Two spinners at Oval and Old Trafford might be pretty useful though.

There will obviously be no point in two spinners in Australia so no problem with the extra batsman when we go there.
 

ImpatientLime

International Regular
reckon all of the batsman fighting for that extra spot are so so operators who are unlikely to set the world alight.

regardless though, dawson has to be dropped.
 

Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Should just play 10 players, save us the bother of talking about this.

We would be really good if cricket was 8 a side though.
 

Adders

Cricketer Of The Year
Edit: Ideally they should have another proper batsman instead of the second spinner, but they seem to have made up their mind otherwise.
The thing is Moeen is a proper batsmen and I "think" they picked Dawson as the No 1 spinner.........it just got all ****ed up when Mo took 10fer at Lords and Dawson was dead set shite.

The make up of this England side is really weird right now and people are focusing on the 6 bowlers and saying it's ridiculous, but really 2 of them are probably in the best 6 or 7 bats in the country, but are also occasionally going to win games with the ball, but can't be relied upon to do so.
 

harsh.ag

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
The thing is Moeen is a proper batsmen and I "think" they picked Dawson as the No 1 spinner.........it just got all ****ed up when Mo took 10fer at Lords and Dawson was dead set shite.

The make up of this England side is really weird right now and people are focusing on the 6 bowlers and saying it's ridiculous, but really 2 of them are probably in the best 6 or 7 bats in the country, but are also occasionally going to win games with the ball, but can't be relied upon to do so.
Yeah, but the same two can also not be relied upon to perform a rescue mission always. Less pressure on them with the bat is a good thing given that they are being bowled quite a bit too with Wood and Dawson being in the team.

Cook
Stoneman
Jennings
Root
Ballance
Bairstow
Moeen
Stokes
TRJ
Broad
Anderson

gives a decent amount of breathing room on all sides, and if push comes to shove, Root can bowl a few overs (although I don't think it will be required).
 

Groundking

International Debutant
The thing is Moeen is a proper batsmen and I "think" they picked Dawson as the No 1 spinner.........it just got all ****ed up when Mo took 10fer at Lords and Dawson was dead set shite.

The make up of this England side is really weird right now and people are focusing on the 6 bowlers and saying it's ridiculous, but really 2 of them are probably in the best 6 or 7 bats in the country, but are also occasionally going to win games with the ball, but can't be relied upon to do so.
4th and 5th best bats in the country IMO, and that's the problem, our 3rd 4th and 5th batsmen are either all rounders or the keeper, and do we really want to be going with our keeper at 4, Moeen 5 and Stokes 6 and then just having bits and pieces batsmen and bowlers until Broad and Anderson (when Woakes is out)?

The ballance of the side is ****ed. Jennings needs to go, that's awful defensive technique, and honestly I'd rather keep Ballance at the minute, at least Ballance has a gluttony of runs in the CC, and has actually made starts in each innings, and has prior test experiance.
 

ImpatientLime

International Regular
problem is you've basically got 4 passengers at the moment.

jennings
ballance
wood
dawson

sends out a terrible message if you bin the lot of them and there's not many knocking through walls to get into the side.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
Stoneman is surely going to be in the squad. Also made a century on TV recently which is a fine way to get yourself picked in selector land.

Realistically Jennings and Ballance need dropping but they won't do 2 at once.
Ballance might be tempted to point out that he's batting out of position, whcih doesn't help. Whether he's good enough anyway is debateable, but just saying.

I was going to point out that Phillander is showing what can be done with the first new ball if you're good enough, but I suppose our boys didn't have the benefit of bowling to Keaton Jennings.
 

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