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*** Official*** South Africa in England 2017

anil1405

International Captain
Can't seem to find a clip of the Rabada send off. What happened exactly & was it really bad enough to warrant a match suspension?
Rabada was fined 15% of his match fee and handed one demerit point for this incident, in which he told Stokes to "f**k ***" after dismissing him for 56 during England's first innings. Rabada had previously been given three demerit points for an altercation with Niroshan Dickwella during the one-day international in Cape Town in February. The total of four points means he is now automatically suspended for one Test. - Cricinfo.
 

Dan

Hall of Fame Member
You should be aware that this applies even in top level Club cricket. I had one the other week which resulted in a player getting a one match ban, suspended - it was a first offence. The players, even at that level, learn quickly. A Test player should know it. Aggressive offensive language has no part in the game.
I eagerly await your tales of sending people off from October.
 

Gnske

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
You should be aware that this applies even in top level Club cricket.

I had one the other week which resulted in a player getting a one match ban, suspended - it was a first offence.

The players, even at that level, learn quickly. A Test player should know it.

Aggressive offensive language has no part in the game.
T. Every recipient of a deserved send off
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
Imagine if Anderson, Broad, Hazelwood or Starc copped a suspension like that during the Ashes.

**** that.

Was there a public pronouncement after the heated Aus/India series that there'd be a harder line taken?

How loud was it? I've only seen the GIF. I'm against send offs, but it's not like he went up into his grill to say it to him. A general "**** off" as you dismiss the batsman is fine.

Actually, a bowler being suspended during the Ashes would be absolutely fine. Remember folks, this is for four points, not a one-off obscenity, so it really shouldn't be beyond the poor dears to keep themselves out of trouble. Contrary to what some people are claiming, Rabada did not get suspended solely for giving Stokes a mouthful.

The one point I would concede is about consistency and a willingness to stand up to bigger name players from more powerful countries. If others aren't even accumulating points at all when they do this, that's the thing to criticise.
 

harsh.ag

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Stupid law, equally stupid from Rabada to give them a chance given he knew he was on thin ice
There's nothing wrong with the law; four points gives them plenty of time to sort their attitude out before copping a ban. Apparently he had picked up 3 points for his previous offence because it involved physical contact, so it really was dumb to do something that he knew would accrue the 4th point.
It probably didn't help Rabada that the producer forgot to turn down the stump mic and the **** off went out over the air. He's an idiot for doing that knowing he was a point off a ban.
I don't even know any other bowler who's been given points for saying "**** off" to a batsman after getting him out. It's one of the most common things to say and an entirely reasonable way of expressing emotion, given that you want the game to be played by humans who are giving it their all and not subdued robots. And if a player has never seen it being enforced, it's not stupid to think it won't be selectively applied to him. Ridiculous law to begin with and an equally ridiculous application of it imo.
 

NUFAN

Y no Afghanistan flag
I don't even know any other bowler who's been given points for saying "**** off" to a batsman after getting him out. It's one of the most common things to say and an entirely reasonable way of expressing emotion, given that you want the game to be played by humans who are giving it their all and not subdued robots. And if a player has never seen it being enforced, it's not stupid to think it won't be selectively applied to him. Ridiculous law to begin with and an equally ridiculous application of it imo.
Yep this. This is a marquee Test series, give the kid a fine and move on.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
I'd be all for increasing the fines for these sort of things - and I mean really increasing them to something like 90% of a player's match fee from the 15% it stands - if we could do away with the suspensions. Suspensions unfairly punish overall teams and most importantly fans of the game for indiscretions that are very much individual and removed from the sporting contest. We obviously need to create an incentive to not do this sort of thing so I'm okay with the fines (even much bigger fines), but suspensions should be off the table unless we're talking about physical altercations.
 

Dendarii

International Debutant
Rabada was fined 15% of his match fee and handed one demerit point for this incident, in which he told Stokes to "f**k ***" after dismissing him for 56 during England's first innings. Rabada had previously been given three demerit points for an altercation with Niroshan Dickwella during the one-day international in Cape Town in February. The total of four points means he is now automatically suspended for one Test. - Cricinfo.
Did Cricinfo really censor "off"? Banning that word isn't going to work for a cricket site...
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
I like the point addition system to be honest. It's practical. However, there should be better implementation and not every thing should be carried towards being suspended.

Plus, better sense should prevail. The rabada swearing is not intractable by any means.
 

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
I don't even know any other bowler who's been given points for saying "**** off" to a batsman after getting him out.

It's one of the most common things to say and an entirely reasonable way of expressing emotion, given that you want the game to be played by humans who are giving it their all and not subdued robots. And if a player has never seen it being enforced, it's not stupid to think it won't be selectively applied to him. Ridiculous law to begin with and an equally ridiculous application of it imo.
I think your first point may well be fair enough. If Rabada has been singled out for doing something that others have gotten away with, then clearly that's wrong. And probably spineless on the part of the authorities who haven't had the balls to stand up to bigger name offenders. Unless there has been a recent change in the guidelines, about which I honestly have no idea.

Beyond that, we're into the olde debate between (1) those who argue that send-offs and the rest of the abuse that goes on nowadays are a natural expression of red-blooded males giving their all and the game would be lesser without it and anyway it's been going on since they used curved bats and (2) those who struggle to see why cricketers should be indulged in a way that doesn't find its way into most other sports and actually it wasn't always like this. Obviously those in the (2) camp are correct, but I've been around long enough to know that's a minority view in these parts.
 

Biryani Pillow

U19 Vice-Captain
I don't even know any other bowler who's been given points for saying "**** off" to a batsman after getting him out. It's one of the most common things to say and an entirely reasonable way of expressing emotion, given that you want the game to be played by humans who are giving it their all and not subdued robots. And if a player has never seen it being enforced, it's not stupid to think it won't be selectively applied to him. Ridiculous law to begin with and an equally ridiculous application of it imo.

As I understand it these are part of relatively new regulations (not a Law) at the top level. He is simply the first to cross the line.

As a side note - I bet if it was an England bowler banned nobody would be opposing it #graemesmith #stevenfinn


I eagerly await your tales of sending people off from October.

From what I have seen of the guidance I have never come across an incident that would require a sending off - nothing even close. Personally I don't think they are a good idea. Even at Club level if the League has a robust post game disciplinary system in place what we have now is fine.
 

flibbertyjibber

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Been so hot at work that I couldn't even be bothered to watch highlights, what the pitch like then, are we as on top as the scorecard looks?

Missing the Root ton is a sickener for me, love watching him bat. Made decision to head to a couple of days at Old Trafford now as this looks a good series. This Rabada thing seems a storm in a tea cup but if those are the new rules then the players will have been made aware of them on numerous occasions so he only has himself to blame.
 

harsh.ag

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Beyond that, we're into the olde debate between (1) those who argue that send-offs and the rest of the abuse that goes on nowadays are a natural expression of red-blooded males giving their all and the game would be lesser without it and anyway it's been going on since they used curved bats and (2) those who struggle to see why cricketers should be indulged in a way that doesn't find its way into most other sports and actually it wasn't always like this. Obviously those in the (2) camp are correct, but I've been around long enough to know that's a minority view in these parts.
A "**** off" doesn't usually mean "**** off". People say it all the time just to pump themselves up. It doesn't have anything to do with actually saying those words with their particular meaning to the opposition player. That's where the "giving it their all" bit comes from, not from red blooded males going gung ho.

It's not against the rules for administrators to use their goddamned brains and apply context.

Players say the word "****" all the time during gameplay in all sports. Period. Also, when it comes down to "it wasn't always like this", if a word/phrase is used 20 times more often (and more informally) in the present than it was 40 years ago or even 20 years ago, that is a crucial piece of information and should be used by the regulators while making their decisions.
 

Biryani Pillow

U19 Vice-Captain
A "**** off" doesn't usually mean "**** off". People say it all the time just to pump themselves up. It doesn't have anything to do with actually saying those words with their particular meaning to the opposition player. That's where the "giving it their all" bit comes from, not from red blooded males going gung ho.

It's not against the rules for administrators to use their goddamned brains and apply context.

Players say the word "****" all the time during gameplay in all sports. Period. Also, when it comes down to "it wasn't always like this", if a word/phrase is used 20 times more often (and more informally) in the present than it was 40 years ago or even 20 years ago, that is a crucial piece of information and should be used by the regulators while making their decisions.

Errr...... they do.

But if it is aimed at another player (or an official) it is not acceptable.
 

flibbertyjibber

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I wonder with the new rules how many players who are close to a ban will use the last test of a series ahead of some one dayers as a time to earn some points and sit out a game or two and go back to being clear in the future? Bit like the joke of foreign footballers picking up a booking to avoid games at christmas.
 

Adders

Cricketer Of The Year
I'd be all for increasing the fines for these sort of things - and I mean really increasing them to something like 90% of a player's match fee from the 15% it stands - if we could do away with the suspensions. Suspensions unfairly punish overall teams and most importantly fans of the game for indiscretions that are very much individual and removed from the sporting contest. We obviously need to create an incentive to not do this sort of thing so I'm okay with the fines (even much bigger fines), but suspensions should be off the table unless we're talking about physical altercations.
100% agree with this. If I was going to Trent Bridge one of the things I'd be going for is to watch Rabada bowl live and I'd be feeling very ripped off and angry that this draw card has been pulled. It's bullshit for the paying public and for the South African team.

Fine the ****s hard if they want to clamp down on this stuff.

Beyond all that does anyone know if this is a new policy and penalty system? I find it hard to believe that KG is the only one to have a second indiscretion and rack up enough points to cop a ban, but I've never heard of this before?
 

flibbertyjibber

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Beyond all that does anyone know if this is a new policy and penalty system? I find it hard to believe that KG is the only one to have a second indiscretion and rack up enough points to cop a ban, but I've never heard of this before?
Sounds like it is a newish thing but the players will have been made aware of stiffer penalties for that sort of thing. Just leaves a sour taste all round and the next test is poorer for it.
 

fredfertang

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
100% agree with this. If I was going to Trent Bridge one of the things I'd be going for is to watch Rabada bowl live and I'd be feeling very ripped off and angry that this draw card has been pulled. It's bullshit for the paying public and for the South African team.

Fine the ****s hard if they want to clamp down on this stuff.

Beyond all that does anyone know if this is a new policy and penalty system? I find it hard to believe that KG is the only one to have a second indiscretion and rack up enough points to cop a ban, but I've never heard of this before?
Agree entirely

Will also bring a wholly undesirable additional tactical dimension whereby teams will try and wind up the oppo's more unpredictable characters in the hope they'll get themselves banned - sledging will go underground and become more insidious - unless it's Liam Dawson of course - the Saffers will be extra nice to him
 

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