South Africa team selection

[Marius]

I never know what to think of those sort of scores because it could be something as simple as Porter started swinging the ball and causing problems, or it could have just been really bad play.

Good thing was Markram and Kuhn scoring runs.... bad thing was Bavuma and de Bruyn nor scoring runs. Right now except for Olivier and those 4 nobody else should have a real chance for Test selection for the Eng tour.

Yeah, they're the only ones who should be in the Test squad from the A-squad. Bavuma will definitely be playing at Lord's though.

I think Kuhn should be in the squad, Cook should get a gig in the first two Tests and if he still doesn't make runs, give Kuhn a go.

He deserves it.

 

[StephenZA]

Political considerations means he won't be dropped.

And to be fair, he played fairly well against NZ, he's made more runs than Cook in recent Tests.

And Duminy...

It is not Bavumas low scores that need worrying about, it is when he keeps scoring good 30s or 60s/ when we need 50s and 100s from him. If he was averaging around 40 I would be happy enough.

 

[StephenZA]

Yeah, they're the only ones who should be in the Test squad from the A-squad. Bavuma will definitely be playing at Lord's though.

I think Kuhn should be in the squad, Cook should get a gig in the first two Tests and if he still doesn't make runs, give Kuhn a go.

He deserves it.

Kuhn should definitely be in squad, he has done everything asked of him. And considering Cook's run of low scores in county I`m thinking Kuhn should actually take his place straight away from first test, he is obviously in incredible form.

 

[Marius]

And Duminy...

It is not Bavumas low scores that need worrying about, it is when he keeps scoring good 30s or 60s/ when we need 50s and 100s from him. If he was averaging around 40 I would be happy enough.

Duminy is bulletproof for some reason.

He could make a pair and then burn a copy of Long Walk to Freedom live on national TV, while wearing a shirt that says 'I <3 the Guptas', and he'd still get picked for the next Test.

 

[SeamUp]

Markram and Kuhn could even debut at Lord's with Faf possibly becoming a daddy.

Faf, Elgar, QdK has basically become the triumvrate of our test line up with Amla struggling for form and Duminy/Bavuma not being of top top test standard.

Kuhn will also be reserve gloveman with Klaassen going back home for A series v Australia/India.

 

[Marius]

Markram and Kuhn could even debut at Lord's with Faf possibly becoming a daddy.

Faf, Elgar, QdK has basically become the triumvrate of our test line up with Amla struggling for form and Duminy/Bavuma not being of top top test standard.

Kuhn will also be reserve gloveman with Klaassen going back home for A series v Australia/India.

Feel sorry for Klaasen. Unless QDK gets a bad injury he'll be a regular in the Test side for the next decade and Klaasen won't get a look in.

Is Klaasen a good enough bat to make the side without his keeping, do you think?

 

[91Jmay]

AK Markram has had a really good tour hasn't he? Collapse today sparked by the underrated Jamie Porter.

 

[Dendarii]

Markram and Kuhn could even debut at Lord's with Faf possibly becoming a daddy.

Would it be one of them who would come in for Faf or would they go for De Bruyn? He hasn't made as many runs, but he was the backup batsman on the New Zealand tour, so have they done enough to leapfrog him? They've both been opening, which might count against them replacing Faf, although an opener coming in down the order is less of an issue than a non-opener opening.

 

[SeamUp]

Feel sorry for Klaasen. Unless QDK gets a bad injury he'll be a regular in the Test side for the next decade and Klaasen won't get a look in.

Is Klaasen a good enough bat to make the side without his keeping, do you think?

Possibly.

From an aesthetics point of view he isn't pretty but he looks compact enough.

Always wonder why some batsman do well in some formats and not others. Seems to have cracked FC and T20 but not 50 overs. Is it due to batting down the order possibly.

 

[SeamUp]

Would it be one of them who would come in for Faf or would they go for De Bruyn? He hasn't made as many runs, but he was the backup batsman on the New Zealand tour, so have they done enough to leapfrog him? They've both been opening, which might count against them replacing Faf, although an opener coming in down the order is less of an issue than a non-opener opening.

SA cricket has always been big on pecking order and loyalty.

Loyalty should come in more when successful players like Gibbs, Kirsten + others go through troughs and now Amla.

De Bruyn needed to lay down a marker on this tour and he hasn't. So can we see him stepping up for tests.

Form has to come into it especially if Markram been labelled as future SA player so pedigree is there. On this whole tour only Kuhn/Markram can come out with ticks as batsman. The problem does come like you say both openers. Wonder if Markram can be introduced in Faf's position like Elgar was initially (middle order) as Kuhn deserves first crack at opener.

Ideally if Faf were to come in for Duminy it would be simple for me.

Elgar
Markram
Kuhn
Amla
Faf
Bavuma (no real pressure for spot)
QdK

 

[SeamUp]

Here is an interesting debate.

Fast bowlers :

Rabada
Philander
Morkel

Going to at least need a 4th seamer in a 4 test series.

Parnell
Olivier
Morris

No certainties with those 3. Wonder if they finally dropped the brainless Parnell and if they want another left-armer if Beuran Hendricks is in their thoughts. Although I hear SA A bowled 21 no balls and he has a history of having this problem.

 

[StephenZA]

SA cricket has always been big on pecking order and loyalty.

De Bruyn needed to lay down a marker on this tour and he hasn't. So can we see him stepping up for tests.

I think that de Bruyn will get a shot, particularly in the middle order, before Markram.

Here is an interesting debate.

Fast bowlers :

Rabada
Philander
Morkel

Going to at least need a 4th seamer in a 4 test series.

Parnell
Olivier
Morris

No certainties with those 3. Wonder if they finally dropped the brainless Parnell and if they want another left-armer if Beuran Hendricks is in their thoughts. Although I hear SA A bowled 21 no balls and he has a history of having this problem.

It was 22 no balls! And it was quite evenly spread across all the bowlers. [Edit: and they have already added 3 to the tally in the 2nd innings.]

But I can't see us playing a 4th seamer unless it is an absolute green track, which I don't think we will get. If needed however They could drop Duminy and play Parnell/Morris. Puts QDK at 6 but at least we still bat to 9 with Maharaj.

 

[Dendarii]

Form has to come into it especially if Markram been labelled as future SA player so pedigree is there. On this whole tour only Kuhn/Markram can come out with ticks as batsman. The problem does come like you say both openers. Wonder if Markram can be introduced in Faf's position like Elgar was initially (middle order) as Kuhn deserves first crack at opener.

I wonder if Kuhn's age might count against him. If they do decide to drop Cook then they might go with Markram on the basis that he'll potentially be there for the long term whereas with Kuhn they'll be the same situation as Cook i.e. maybe only able to get a couple of years out of him. Very tough on Kuhn though if they do that, as I'd agree that he's the more deserving of the two.

Parnell
Olivier
Morris

No certainties with those 3. Wonder if they finally dropped the brainless Parnell and if they want another left-armer if Beuran Hendricks is in their thoughts. Although I hear SA A bowled 21 no balls and he has a history of having this problem.

Parnell is almost as bulletproof as Duminy - not quite the same as he does get dropped, but he always seems to make his way back into the team somehow. Olivier hasn't had the greatest of times in England so far and has struggled with no balls, which may have hurt his chances. Morris didn't do too badly in the Champions Trophy, so that could play a role even though it's obviously a different format, but there's certainly no immediately obvious choice for the fourth seamer.

 

[Dendarii]

But I can't see us playing a 4th seamer unless it is an absolute green track, which I don't think we will get.

I think SeamUp's not referring so much to a fourth seamer in the team, but rather who the fourth seamer in the squad would be.

 

[StephenZA]

I think SeamUp's not referring so much to a fourth seamer in the team, but rather who the fourth seamer in the squad would be.

Right. My Bad. Olivier and Morris would be my choice for the squad. But think they may choose all three.

 

[SeamUp]

I think that de Bruyn will get a shot, particularly in the middle order, before Markram.

It was 22 no balls! And it was quite evenly spread across all the bowlers. [Edit: and they have already added 3 to the tally in the 2nd

They will go de Bruyn but we really need an innings of importance in this 2nd innings.

That amount of no balls is a joke. Professionalism from players and coaching lacking.

 

[91Jmay]

This one could be over in a hurry now.

 

[SeamUp]

Deary me. Hopefully some batting practice for Temba and more experience for Mulder.

Kuhn and Markram were allowed a failure. Just not sure de Bruyn was. Struggling to work de Bruyn out.

 

[StephenZA]

Heino Kuhn earns South Africa Test call | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[Bijed]

Deary me. Hopefully some batting practice for Temba and more experience for Mulder.

Kuhn and Markram were allowed a failure. Just not sure de Bruyn was. Struggling to work de Bruyn out.

The Lions' bowlers aren't