Top Ten ODI cricketers of All Time

[Shri]

If old batsmen had to deal with bouncers, pacier wickets, swing and reverse, the current batsmen have to deal with well disguised cutters, slower ball bouncers, wide yorkers etc.

Skill always evolves and the batsmen evolve accordingly. Old batsmen can go **** themselves tbh. They are the most overrated of all who everyone views with rose tinted glasses.

 

[stephen]

AB averages 50+ and has a SR of 100. No one is even close to that. Not even in this era.

I'm not sure how you define "close" but Kholi, Amla, Babar and Dhoni all average 50+ with an 88+ strike rate.

Look, I rate ABDV very highly. But he's not top 10 of all time for me. He's in the 25 but it's not even clear he'd make the AT 2nd XI given how many middle order batsmen are competing for the spot.

 

[stephen]

If old batsmen had to deal with bouncers, pacier wickets, swing and reverse, the current batsmen have to deal with well disguised cutters, slower ball bouncers, wide yorkers etc.

Skill always evolves and the batsmen evolve accordingly. Old batsmen can go **** themselves tbh. They are the most overrated of all who everyone views with rose tinted glasses.

It's not the skill that's changed, it's the tools. Batsmen have better bats to hit the ball to shorter boundaries. That's what made Viv so special. He'd be downright frightening in the modern game.

 

[stephen]

What's your top 25?

Off the top of my head and in no particular order:

Tendulkar
Richards
Bevan
Jones
Ponting
Abbas
Sangakkara
De Villiers

Warne
Murali
Saqlain

Dhoni
Gilchrist

McGrath
Akram
Garner
Ambrose
Waqar
Lillee
Donald
Hadlee

Klusener
Pollock
Symonds
Jayasuria

I think that's everyone. Holding and Watson unlucky to miss out.

 

[honestbharani]

Lol @Kohli being called over rated by someone who then picks Symonds in the top 25 ODI cricketers of all time.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I'm not sure how you define "close" but Kholi, Amla, Babar and Dhoni all average 50+ with an 88+ strike rate.

Look, I rate ABDV very highly. But he's not top 10 of all time for me. He's in the 25 but it's not even clear he'd make the AT 2nd XI given how many middle order batsmen are competing for the spot.

They all have a SR atleast 10 lower him. Imo, that's a massive margin.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Also, I find your arguments against AB rather disingenuous because you've picked guys like Ponting, Sangakkara, Jones, even though they certainly had several peers with similar statistics.

 

[vcs]

The greatest trick Kohli has pulled off is convincing people that what he does with such regularity is easy.

Many ATG players have played the kind of knocks he plays twice a year or so in chases, once or twice in their entire careers.

 

[Burgey]

I'm not sure how you define "close" but Kholi, Amla, Babar and Dhoni all average 50+ with an 88+ strike rate.

Look, I rate ABDV very highly. But he's not top 10 of all time for me. He's in the 25 but it's not even clear he'd make the AT 2nd XI given how many middle order batsmen are competing for the spot.

Also, I find your arguments against AB rather disingenuous because you've picked guys like Ponting, Sangakkara, Jones, even though they certainly had several peers with similar statistics.

You're talking about different people here.

 

[ankitj]

I have explained Greenidge before, not going to repeat it again. He is IMO the second best opening bat in ODIs ever.

 

[stephen]

Lol @Kohli being called over rated by someone who then picks Symonds in the top 25 ODI cricketers of all time.

Kholi is overrated. That doesn't mean he's bad. Symonds is underrated. Especially away from home where he averaged 50 @ 93. How many other players have ever averaged over 50 away?

They all have a SR atleast 10 lower him. Imo, that's a massive margin.

Fair point. 10% is a decent margin and I do agree that ABDV is the best bat of his generation.

Also, I find your arguments against AB rather disingenuous because you've picked guys like Ponting, Sangakkara, Jones, even though they certainly had several peers with similar statistics.

Jones was unequaled in his era. Ponting and Sangakkara had stats which undersold how amazing they actually were. They have very similar stats to each other, played for 15/17 years and were considered the best batsmen and "anchors" for their teams. Sangakkara is possibly more controversial than Ponting since Ponting was also up there as one of the top three fielders in living memory and a good captain to boot.

The greatest trick Kohli has pulled off is convincing people that what he does with such regularity is easy.

Many ATG players have played the kind of knocks he plays twice a year or so in chases, once or twice in their entire careers.

Kholi is very good but what he does isn't unprecedented. Bevan, Hussey, Dhoni were all players who did what Kholi does.

 

[srbhkshk]

Kohli is included in the ATG teams for his ability to chase down any total, ABDV is included because he is a freak, Dhoni is included because he is a great finisher, calm under pressure, great captain and a wk. Their good stats are a byproduct of them being good players, no one looks at Kohli's average and S/R and then picks him in the XI. So even though they have peers in terms of overall numbers, they don't have peers in the aforementioned skills.

 

[Daemon]

Kholi is very good but what he does isn't unprecedented. Bevan, Hussey, Dhoni were all players who did what Kholi does.

Not from number 3..

 

[Shri]

And also because no one has hit 25+ ODI hundreds before turning 28. That's insane.

 

[stephen]

My arguments for Symonds are as an all round player. His batting alone doesn't get him over the line. It's him as the complete package. As a fielder he bullied the batsmen. As a bowler he could be relied on to bowl 10 tidy overs. As a batsman he could rescue an innings or bludgeon in the late overs. He was probably the game's most versatile ODI cricketer and was always in the game, even without bat or ball in hand.

 

[Shri]

As a bowler he could be relied on to bowl 10 tidy overs.

Lol, no.

 

[stephen]

Lol @Kohli being called over rated by someone who then picks Symonds in the top 25 ODI cricketers of all time.

They all have a SR atleast 10 lower him. Imo, that's a massive margin.

Also, I find your arguments against AB rather disingenuous because you've picked guys like Ponting, Sangakkara, Jones, even though they certainly had several peers with similar statistics.

And also because no one has hit 25+ ODI hundreds before turning 28. That's insane.

It is insane. I'm just giving him a few more years, just like Starc, before he can force his way onto my list.

Remember that both he and ABDV are in their prime. It's easy to over rate players at their peak (I don't hear people clamoring for Clarke to be considered top tier in tests, despite the fact that he appeared to walk on water in 2012/13).

 

[a spambot]

Kholi is very good but what he does isn't unprecedented. Bevan, Hussey, Dhoni were all players who did what Kholi does.

Kohli has scored more ODI tons than the 3 of them combined.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Jones was unequaled in his era.

Was he any more 'unequaled' than AB and Kohli? You said that Dhoni, Hussey, Amla have comparable records to AB, but then, Viv, Zaheer Abbas, Haynes, Greenidge all have very comparable records to Jones.

 

[Shri]

Lol, no.

Symonds bowled 37 balls per innings on average throughout his career. Comparable to someone like Yuvraj Singh who bowled 31 balls per innings. Symonds bowled in 158 matches out of 198 and Yuvraj bowled in 160 games out of 296.

Would pick Yuvraj before Symonds tbh. Yeah, but muh fielding is a valid point but Yuvi was pretty good before injuries at backward point.