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South African Domestic Season 2016/17

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
No reasons were given for the decision but word from the boardroom is it was not unanimous and that it was reached, at least partly, by the failure of those with vested interests in the location of the new franchise to compromise.

There may have been a sense of: "If we can’t have it, nobody will."

Of slightly less importance but equal mystery was the decision to announce that coach Russell Domingo’s contract would not be renewed at the end of the England tour in August. On the face of it, fair enough. His contract does expire in August and it will have been four years since his appointment, widely regarded as the "usual" life span of the job. But the thing is, the board gave him a six-month extension at the end of 2016 when his contract first expired.
I really hope people are not cutting off their nice to spite their face...... regarding Domingo`s contract apparently their may have been a legal matter involved, if they kept extending it, it may have produced some legal expectation and have rather asked that a full new process is gone through. Poor timing but if legally true could be understandable, but taking a pinch of legal salt with that one.
 

SeamUp

International Coach
I can`t see players being a big issue... like we are discussing their is enough players of quality to easily fill another franchise, local player development could be an issue but honestly players move around so much now days the that will be more a matter of time issue. However money is needed to get all this going, maybe politics of who gets it is also an issue? Interesting idea of getting rid of semi-professional and put more into club cricket, probably will never happen though. I`m not sure how comfortable I would be with distribution of money at club level, provincial/franchise level seems more manageable.
The reason I mention it is that a few years ago our T20 Comp had an Impala's team as a 7th team and there were problems. They would get fringe franchise players and then when injury struck the franchise would want their player back. There is also current contracts. So just say the 7th franchise goes for non-contracted players but talented. Will they have experience ? Will the balance be right in terms of age ? The talent is definitely there but their start is later and in the beginning they could be whipping boys.

It would be actually interesting to see out of the franchises who produces their own players more.

Code:
Red - Produced outside franchise
Blue - Produced by the smaller union from the home franchise.

COBRAS
Levi, Puttick, van Zyl, Vilas, Linde, Simmonds, Steyn
Amla, Duminy, Ontong, Smith, Hamza, Piedt, Philander, Parnell, Kleinveldt, Paterson, Williams
Ramela, Mgijima, Moreki

WARRIORS

Moore, Smuts, Ackermann, Ingram, Jonker, Harmer, Birch, Nortje
Cloete, Vallie, Fortuin, Walters
Ngoepe, Seyibokwe, Gqamane, Magala, Bokako

DOLPHINS
D. van Wyk, Erwee, Delport, van Jaarsveld, M. van Wyk, Savage, Frylinck, Dupavillon
Muthusamy, Chetty, Maharaj, Subrayen, Tahir, Alexander, Engelbrecht
Zondo, Makhanya, Phehlukwayo, Shezi

KNIGHTS
De Bruyn, Rossouw, Miller, Second, van Biljon, Botha, de Lange, Olivier, du Preez, Dry
Erlank, Kruger, Petersen, van Schalkwyk
Mnyanda, Ntuli, Kula, Zuma, Budaza

LIONS
Cook, van der Dussen, van den Bergh, Conway, Mulder, Pretorius, Viljoen, McGillivray, Jamison
R. Hendricks, D.Hendricks, Fortuin, B.Hendricks
Bavuma, Mosehle, Phangiso, Leie, Rabada, Myoli, Pongolo


TITANS
Elgar, Markram, Kuhn, de Villiers, du Plessis, de Kock, Klaasen, Thomson, Wiese, A.Morkel, Morris, M.Morkel, von Berg
Davids, Vandiar, Behardien, Shamsi, Richards
Mokoena, Ngidi, Siboto, Dala
 

SeamUp

International Coach
I really hope people are not cutting off their nice to spite their face...... regarding Domingo`s contract apparently their may have been a legal matter involved, if they kept extending it, it may have produced some legal expectation and have rather asked that a full new process is gone through. Poor timing but if legally true could be understandable, but taking a pinch of legal salt with that one.
Was great listening to Daryn Smit's views on Inside Edge the other night and I thought it was good how he said it's ironic how they just dished out extensions to Domingo when they weren't doing as well as a South African team is expected to do but then when things seems to be going rather well they hand this card out.

CSA might have another candidate in mind for whatever reasons but that come out and say what your intentions are and not come have to respond to speculation that they are 'following protocol'.
 

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
The reason I mention it is that a few years ago our T20 Comp had an Impala's team as a 7th team and there were problems. They would get fringe franchise players and then when injury struck the franchise would want their player back. There is also current contracts. So just say the 7th franchise goes for non-contracted players but talented. Will they have experience ? Will the balance be right in terms of age ? The talent is definitely there but their start is later and in the beginning they could be whipping boys.

It would be actually interesting to see out of the franchises who produces their own players more.

Code:
Red - Produced outside franchise
Blue - Produced by the smaller union from the home franchise.

COBRAS
Levi, Puttick, van Zyl, Vilas, Linde, Simmonds, Steyn
Amla, Duminy, Ontong, Smith, Hamza, Piedt, Philander, Parnell, Kleinveldt, Paterson, Williams
Ramela, Mgijima, Moreki

WARRIORS

Moore, Smuts, Ackermann, Ingram, Jonker, Harmer, Birch, Nortje
Cloete, Vallie, Fortuin, Walters
Ngoepe, Seyibokwe, Gqamane, Magala, Bokako

DOLPHINS
D. van Wyk, Erwee, Delport, van Jaarsveld, M. van Wyk, Savage, Frylinck, Dupavillon
Muthusamy, Chetty, Maharaj, Subrayen, Tahir, Alexander, Engelbrecht
Zondo, Makhanya, Phehlukwayo, Shezi

KNIGHTS
De Bruyn, Rossouw, Miller, Second, van Biljon, Botha, de Lange, Olivier, du Preez, Dry
Erlank, Kruger, Petersen, van Schalkwyk
Mnyanda, Ntuli, Kula, Zuma, Budaza

LIONS
Cook, van der Dussen, van den Bergh, Conway, Mulder, Pretorius, Viljoen, McGillivray, Jamison
R. Hendricks, D.Hendricks, Fortuin, B.Hendricks
Bavuma, Mosehle, Phangiso, Leie, Rabada, Myoli, Pongolo


TITANS
Elgar, Markram, Kuhn, de Villiers, du Plessis, de Kock, Klaasen, Thomson, Wiese, A.Morkel, Morris, M.Morkel, von Berg
Davids, Vandiar, Behardien, Shamsi, Richards
Mokoena, Ngidi, Siboto, Dala
List is interesting to see, pretty even mix really.

Yeah, any new franchise will be whipping boys for a few years, but that's why it needs support from the CSA initially. Kings are a good example of this, will be whipping boys for another 2/3 years at least but need support to develop good players and pay them enough to stay rather than just be stolen by the bigger union. I think it would be less of a problem in cricket but still its a teething problem, not an excuse not to provide players opportunity at franchise level.
 

Marius

International Debutant
Was great listening to Daryn Smit's views on Inside Edge the other night and I thought it was good how he said it's ironic how they just dished out extensions to Domingo when they weren't doing as well as a South African team is expected to do but then when things seems to be going rather well they hand this card out.

CSA might have another candidate in mind for whatever reasons but that come out and say what your intentions are and not come have to respond to speculation that they are 'following protocol'.
South African sport for you. Remember Jake White's contract wasn't renewed after the Springboks won the World Cup.
 

Marius

International Debutant
List is interesting to see, pretty even mix really.

Yeah, any new franchise will be whipping boys for a few years, but that's why it needs support from the CSA initially. Kings are a good example of this, will be whipping boys for another 2/3 years at least but need support to develop good players and pay them enough to stay rather than just be stolen by the bigger union. I think it would be less of a problem in cricket but still its a teething problem, not an excuse not to provide players opportunity at franchise level.
I'm not sure the analogy works. The Kings only exist because of political reasons, an additional cricket franchise would exist for cricketing reasons and be more sustainable, financially and in terms of playing resources.
 

SeamUp

International Coach
The reason I mention it is that a few years ago our T20 Comp had an Impala's team as a 7th team and there were problems. They would get fringe franchise players and then when injury struck the franchise would want their player back. There is also current contracts. So just say the 7th franchise goes for non-contracted players but talented. Will they have experience ? Will the balance be right in terms of age ? The talent is definitely there but their start is later and in the beginning they could be whipping boys.

It would be actually interesting to see out of the franchises who produces their own players more.

Code:
Red - Produced outside franchise
Blue - Produced by the smaller union from the home franchise.

COBRAS
Levi, Puttick, van Zyl, Vilas, Linde, Simmonds, Steyn
Amla, Duminy, Ontong, Smith, Hamza, Piedt, Philander, Parnell, Kleinveldt, Paterson, Williams
Ramela, Mgijima, Moreki

WARRIORS

Moore, Smuts, Ackermann, Ingram, Jonker, Harmer, Birch, Nortje
Cloete, Vallie, Fortuin, Walters
Ngoepe, Seyibokwe, Gqamane, Magala, Bokako

DOLPHINS
D. van Wyk, Erwee, Delport, van Jaarsveld, M. van Wyk, Savage, Frylinck, Dupavillon
Muthusamy, Chetty, Maharaj, Subrayen, Tahir, Alexander, Engelbrecht
Zondo, Makhanya, Phehlukwayo, Shezi

KNIGHTS
De Bruyn, Rossouw, Miller, Second, van Biljon, Botha, de Lange, Olivier, du Preez, Dry
Erlank, Kruger, Petersen, van Schalkwyk
Mnyanda, Ntuli, Kula, Zuma, Budaza

LIONS
Cook, van der Dussen, van den Bergh, Conway, Mulder, Pretorius, Viljoen, McGillivray, Jamison
R. Hendricks, D.Hendricks, Fortuin, B.Hendricks
Bavuma, Mosehle, Phangiso, Leie, Rabada, Myoli, Pongolo


TITANS
Elgar, Markram, Kuhn, de Villiers, du Plessis, de Kock, Klaasen, Thomson, Wiese, A.Morkel, Morris, M.Morkel, von Berg
Davids, Vandiar, Behardien, Shamsi, Richards
Mokoena, Ngidi, Siboto, Dala
Just on from this and the Provinces.

The reason I then mention the Provincial system stopping is because the smaller unions often end up feeding the bigger one's still. So their young cricketers go to the bigger cities for University or better opportunities. Plus now with an even more watered down system I see no point.

WESTERN PROVINCE
P.Malan, M.Kleinveldt, Verreynne, Galiem
BOLAND
Glover
SWD

EASTERN PROVINCE
White, Sigwili
BORDER

KZN COASTAL
Morris, Oakes, Bosch, O.Cele
KZN INLAND

FREE STATE
Gous, du Plooy
NORTHERN CAPE
Rosier

GAUTENG
Rickelton, Valli, Y.Cook, Pillay, Roelofsen, Sayanvala , Le Roux, Dudgeon
NORTH WEST
W.Lubbe, J.Malan, Ackerman

NORTHERNS
Moonsamy, de Zorzi, Kaber, Claassen, Pretorius, Kirsten, Hawken
 
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StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I'm not sure the analogy works. The Kings only exist because of political reasons, an additional cricket franchise would exist for cricketing reasons and be more sustainable, financially and in terms of playing resources.
Kings don`t exist for just political reasons, large part, but not just, Eastern Cape rugby has been unrepresented for many years at provincial and franchise level, but has produced many great players that end up at the other unions because of opportunity and money. Yes the region is also heavily 'black' and thus creates greater chance for this development but EC deserved a rugby team; but it will take many years to rectify the entire break down of the senior level rugby in the EC.
 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
Bavuma back for the Lions as well. Still not back in the runs but made 30 odd. What do we know about Anrich Nortje? Averages nearly sub 20 in franchise cricket.
 

SeamUp

International Coach
Bavuma back for the Lions as well. Still not back in the runs but made 30 odd. What do we know about Anrich Nortje? Averages nearly sub 20 in franchise cricket.
The usual young fast bowler story. Was quite quick and suffered a stress fracture and put him out for just over a year. Saw him in the Africa T20 Cup. Wasn't bowling express but got good bounce but felt his action could be stronger and he could bowl quicker because of that but they may be the injuries. Same with Glover/Kirsten/Savage/Muller/Engelbrecht/Zuma and even Ngidi had a bad injury as a teenager as young fast bowlers in the system coming through from u19 weeks.
 

SeamUp

International Coach
Also Dean and Aiden just prepping for their future as an opening test partnership as well.
 

SeamUp

International Coach
The Cobras could win the Sunfoil Series after their embarrassment of a first half of Sunfoil Series and T20 Comp since Paul Adams left and Ashwell Prince got the job. They've jumped from rock bottom to in a good position two win 3 in a row and be in the hunt come the last round of fixtures.
 
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Marius

International Debutant
Von Berg among the wickets again. I wonder if he's ever featured in the selectors' thinking?
 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
Von Berg among the wickets again. I wonder if he's ever featured in the selectors' thinking?
I believe CSA has paid for him to go to a few spin camps to India, so I’m sure he has. However, he averages over 35 with the ball in franchise cricket and how many spinners do South Africa have playing domestically who average better than that, 5 or more? Not the tallest but he looks to be carrying some serious timber as well, and works in IT.
 

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I believe CSA has paid for him to go to a few spin camps to India, so I’m sure he has. However, he averages over 35 with the ball in franchise cricket and how many spinners do South Africa have playing domestically who average better than that, 5 or more? Not the tallest but he looks to be carrying some serious timber as well, and works in IT.
Well that clinches it....
 

Marius

International Debutant
I believe CSA has paid for him to go to a few spin camps to India, so I’m sure he has. However, he averages over 35 with the ball in franchise cricket and how many spinners do South Africa have playing domestically who average better than that, 5 or more? Not the tallest but he looks to be carrying some serious timber as well, and works in IT.
Stop fat shaming him!

The greatest leggie in the world was also one of the world's greatest salad dodgers.
 

Marius

International Debutant
Klaasen also in the runs, 82* at the moment.

We're looking pretty good with our keeper production line - Mosehle, Second, and Klaasen.

Of course, unless QDK gets abducted by aliens or his head falls off, no keeper will get a look-in for the national side for the next ten years.
 

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