*Official* Bangladesh in New Zealand 2016/2017

[Burgey]

Yeah but isn't the most important thing that he has demonstrated an ability to score runs when it has mattered, luck notwithstanding?

Another example - you put Maddinson and Renshaw side by side, Maddinson looks a lot better, doesn't have the overt technical flaws Renshaw does. But Renshaw knows how to score runs. Sure he'll likely get found out at some stage, but isn't the most important thing that he's found a way to get it done, like Nicholls has here and on a couple of other occasions?

 

[Mike5181]

Na, Kayes has actually been putting on the runs for years. Mahmudullah should feel more nervous.

Bangladesh are still in that development phase where promising 18-21 year olds will debut and replace the ageing but talented players like Mahmudullah. When you've got 150+ million people in your country + more professionalism, I expect them to produce some genuinely great batsmen in the next 5 - 10 years. There's already been a marked improvement compared to the last time we saw them over here.

I didn't expect their fast bowlers to impress me at all, though. Nothing in the Philander/Rabada-tier but they've been quite good in this series so far.

 

[Athlai]

Yeah but isn't the most important thing that he has demonstrated an ability to score runs when it has mattered, luck notwithstanding?

Another example - you put Maddinson and Renshaw side by side, Maddinson looks a lot better, doesn't have the overt technical flaws Renshaw does. But Renshaw knows how to score runs. Sure he'll likely get found out at some stage, but isn't the most important thing that he's found a way to get it done, like Nicholls has here and on a couple of other occasions?

As celebrated as Nicholls' innings was against South Africa, the horse had bolted. We were chasing 400 and were 4/7 when he scored a 76. People will disagree, but it felt like the foot was off the gas from South Africa for the majority of his innings. Beyond that, his 2 50s this series have been jammy and Bangladesh's poor fielding standards have helped contribute.

I don't remember his 50 against Australia on debut. I think I rated it?

But yeah those are all his scores.

 

[Dick Rockett]

Yeah but isn't the most important thing that he has demonstrated an ability to score runs when it has mattered, luck notwithstanding?

A couple of times, yes, against Bangladesh. I guess I reckon that his good luck will turn sooner rather than later, probably when SA get here.

I don't wish Nicholls any ill will. I was rooting for him to get to a hundred - I wanted that to be the moment that gave him the belief to kick on and become the player we hoped he was when he first made the team. But to fall short - especially in such an ugly way - has kind of taken him in the other direction. I reckon that was his best and now only chance to get a test hundred.

 

[Athlai]

Bangladesh are still in that development phase where promising 18-21 year olds will debut and replace the ageing but talented players like Mahmudullah. When you've got 150+ million people in your country + more professionalism, I expect them to produce some genuinely great batsmen in the next 5 - 10 years. There's already been a marked improvement compared to the last time we saw them over here.

I didn't expect their fast bowlers to impress me at all, though. Nothing in the Philander/Rabada-tier but they've been quite good in this series so far.

Bangladesh have quietly been putting together a better pace attack than Sri Lanka for a while. The biggest surprise for me though was Kamrul. Could just be our horrid ability against slingers but hes seemed genuinely threatening.

 

[SteveNZ]

He isn't inept though. It was a good innings despite what you say. He only looked shaky after he got into the 80s. He is doing atleast as well as brownlie did , who seems to be the one people want in.

You didn't watch the first half of his innings then. Nicholls is very average. I'm not a fan at all, and happy to be proven wrong over time. Well done to him scoring the runs he did.

 

[SteveNZ]

Surely we need a common sense rule for those situations. He'd grounded his bat ffs

It's just one of those bad luck things, going down an unneccesary path to change anything. He wasn't avoiding the ball, in which case he wouldn't have been out.

 

[Mike5181]

Yeah but isn't the most important thing that he has demonstrated an ability to score runs when it has mattered, luck notwithstanding?

Another example - you put Maddinson and Renshaw side by side, Maddinson looks a lot better, doesn't have the overt technical flaws Renshaw does. But Renshaw knows how to score runs. Sure he'll likely get found out at some stage, but isn't the most important thing that he's found a way to get it done, like Nicholls has here and on a couple of other occasions?

The most important thing for me at least, is putting our best foot forward against top sides, including vs, South Africa in a month or so. Australians probably value an Ashes series more than a series vs. NZ. Well, that applies to us as well. When we see a guy like a Nicholls or CdG in the XI, it feels like we're doing ourselves a disservice by not picking the best players available. My 15 years or so of experience watching cricket tells me Nicholls isn't the guy that's going to be the answer to our number 5 problems post-Baz. I'd be genuinely happy to see Nicholls prove me wrong. but that's just they way I see it at the moment.

 

[NZTailender]

There are gritty fighters with limited techniques who can forge a career - your Collingwoods, Katichs et al, then there's guys like Nicholls, who - if he wants to be in the aforementioned company - needs to iron out his deficiencies pretty quick smart, because his luck will run out, even if he does have a 'fighting attitude'.

I don't know why, but he reminds me a lot of the Marshalls.

 

[Mike5181]

Bangladesh have quietly been putting together a better pace attack than Sri Lanka for a while. The biggest surprise for me though was Kamrul. Could just be our horrid ability against slingers but hes seemed genuinely threatening.

In attitude as well. When he was going after Wagner with the short ball in the last test I was fearing for Wagner's safety a bit, which isn't something I've felt from a fast bowler out of Bangladesh before.

 

[Athlai]

Honestly reckon Bangladesh would stomp us away at the moment.

 

[Bahnz]

Boult's seam position is so dreadful at the moment, no consistency at all.

 

[_Ed_]

I don't think CdG's debut spell was a fluke, but I do believe he needs to be a "horses for courses" selection. He's damn effective when he gets conditions to suit, but seems pretty harmless the rest of the time.

 

[Shri]

Wagner shouldn't have been given out. Stupid rule.

 

[Athlai]

I don't think CdG's debut spell was a fluke, but I do believe he needs to be a "horses for courses" selection. He's damn effective when he gets conditions to suit, but seems pretty harmless the rest of the time.

Yeah but most of our attack would be able to use those conditions more effectively than him 9 times out of 10. Southee and Boult pulled out 4/59 when CDG got his 6/41 and they took half of the top order themselves.

 

[Bahnz]

Yeah but most of our attack would be able to use those conditions more effectively than him 9 times out of 10. Southee and Boult pulled out 4/59 when CDG got his 6/41 and they took half of the top order themselves.

CdG a better bet in those sorts of conditions than a Neesham or an Anderson though.

 

[OverratedSanity]

The rounout rule is annoying and stupid. Once you're in, you're in.

 

[Bahnz]

****ing unbelievable.

 

[Athlai]

CdG a better bet in those sorts of conditions than a Neesham or an Anderson though.

Yeah definitely, but would almost want the extra batting than a 4th seamer.

 

[Bahnz]

Dreadful effort too by Raval, got nowhere near to catching that.