***Official*** Pakistan in Australia 2016/17

[KRIS 148]

Watching SOK bowl, he's basically just a much better version of Dan Vettori

I am not sure I read that correctly. SOK a "much better version than Dan Vettori". That is what you wrote?

I dd not wish to be insulting. Either you are blind or lacking true cricket knowledge.

Dan Vettori would bowl SOK under the table, out and back under again. Need I bring up his career stats?

 

[ajdude]

I am not sure I read that correctly. SOK a "much better version than Dan Vettori". That is what you wrote?

I dd not wish to be insulting. Either you are blind or lacking true cricket knowledge.

Dan Vettori would bowl SOK under the table, out and back under again. Need I bring up his career stats?

whether i agree or disagree is neither here nor there; the concerning part is that you want to use statistics to compare a player who played over 100 tests to a player who has played 4 tests

 

[KRIS 148]

I wasn't that impressed with O' Keefe to be honest. No turn or anything. Just throws pies at the wicket. I hope you select him in your Ashes team.

I hope not. Hopefully by then CA will have done with him and Lyon.. with a view to the future. Just a couple of names for our Pom mates to hang onto... Mitch Swepson and Arjun Nair. Mitch a young leggie, Arjun a mystery off spinner with enormous wraps.

 

[adub]

I like Dan Vettori immensely.

But the best you could say for Dan is that if he'd been Australian he might have at best been one of the roll call of spinners tried and discarded post Warne.

 

[KRIS 148]

whether i agree or disagree is neither here nor there; the concerning part is that you want to use statistics to compare a player who played over 100 tests to a player who has played 4 tests

Then why post such a statement. How else can I justify it?

SOK has a very impressive FC record.. very surprising given the little he does with the ball.
Ashton Agar...early days in his bowling career.. the West Aussie leftie is a clone of the Kiwi great. Is in the frame for a tour of India.

 

[vic_orthdox]

I like Dan Vettori immensely.

But the best you could say for Dan is that if he'd been Australian he might have at best been one of the roll call of spinners tried and discarded post Warne.

A young Vettori wouldn't have.

 

[vic_orthdox]

O'Keefe gets knocked for looking like he's just bowling darts straight at the stumps, and getting the odd one to turn. Pretty much how you'd describe Ravi Jadeja's bowling in Australia, no?

 

[adub]

A young Vettori wouldn't have.

As in wouldn't have played any tests?

Might have jagged a test or two backing up MacGilla during Warnie's injury or suspension.

But probably not. Wouldn't have displaced Funky though as Miller's meatos would have been enough to get him over the line. And lets face it, Miller averaged 26 as a Test bowler. Did the job he was selected for perfectly.

May have got a couple of George's tests, but Hoggy unlike Vettori turned it the other way from Warne and MacGill (even allowing that his wrong un was the danger ball) so again not super likely.

He would have been another good solid Shield player but barely would have got near a Test Squad except on sub-continental tours and then only played in exceptional circumstances due to the quality of the quicks and leggies Australia had at it's disposal.

 

[vic_orthdox]

As in wouldn't have played any tests?

Might have jagged a test or two backing up MacGilla during Warnie's injury or suspension.

But probably not. Wouldn't have displaced Funky though as Miller's meatos would have been enough to get him over the line. And lets face it, Miller averaged 26 as a Test bowler. Did the job he was selected for perfectly.

May have got a couple of George's tests, but Hoggy unlike Vettori turned it the other way from Warne and MacGill (even allowing that his wrong un was the danger ball) so again not super likely.

He would have been another good solid Shield player but barely would have got near a Test Squad except on sub-continental tours and then only played in exceptional circumstances due to the quality of the quicks and leggies Australia had at it's disposal.

Nah, I'm saying that if Vettori was young at the time of Warnie retiring then he would have gotten a regular go.

Vettori post-back injury would have been discarded because of his inability to take wickets in the fourth innings, which is how we continually want to rate our spinners.

 

[Daemon]

While I think SOK is a good bowler, I still want to see how he responds when batsmen attack him like they do Lyon.

 

[vic_orthdox]

While I think SOK is a good bowler, I still want to see how he responds when batsmen attack him like they do Lyon.

He doesn't give them much of a chance to, Lyon invites mistakes whereas O'Keefe just tries to keep you pinned down, and forces an error.

Still going to be different in India where there's going to be some top class batting, but not sure how much the Indian batsmen will leave the crease to get him like they have done to Lyon if it's really turning.

 

[adub]

Nah, I'm saying that if Vettori was young at the time of Warnie retiring then he would have gotten a regular go.

Fair enough. I'm certainly not raggin on Dan. Good bowler. Just he wasn't young when Warne retired. (at least not that young). His early career coincided with some of the best bowlers Australia has ever produced. He was no chance at displacing them.

(so I think we're pretty much in furious agreement no?)

 

[vic_orthdox]

Fair enough. I'm certainly not raggin on Dan. Good bowler. Just he wasn't young when Warne retired. (at least not that young). His early career coincided with some of the best bowlers Australia has ever produced. He was no chance at displacing them.

(so I think we're pretty much in furious agreement no?)

He was only 27-28. But probably past his prime due to injury. But I still reckon he was a better bowler than everyone else tried, even with a crocked back, up to Lyon or maybe Hauritz.

 

[adub]

He doesn't give them much of a chance to, Lyon invites mistakes whereas O'Keefe just tries to keep you pinned down, and forces an error.

Still going to be different in India where there's going to be some top class batting, but not sure how much the Indian batsmen will leave the crease to get him like they have done to Lyon if it's really turning.

This.

The ****'s eco rate isn't what it is because FC batsmen have never considered the option of trying to get after him.

Against quality SC batsmen in their home conditions he might not be able to contain them (think UAE), but he'll still contain them better than Lyon. He's bowled 7 test innings with Nafe and only in the 2nd of those was Lyon's econ better. Averages about 0.4 runs per over better so far but I think that even understates how much tighter SOK is. Also has a 14.5 ball better sr than Lyon in those innings.

He'll do ok in India so long as he doesn't chip a fingernail.

 

[adub]

He was only 27-28. But probably past his prime due to injury. But I still reckon he was a better bowler than everyone else tried, even with a crocked back, up to Lyon or maybe Hauritz.

Again pretty much in furious agreement. Dan v X or Beer is a no contest.

But like you said, he'd have got punted by Hilditch for not cleaning up on 5th day tracks.

 

[S.Kennedy]

I'm not going to defend Mo and Rashid. Just O' Keefe looked fairly average to me.

That delivery from Lyon at the SCG - cannot remember who it was but it might have been Riaz - was a beauty.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I'm not going to defend Mo and Rashid. Just O' Keefe looked fairly average to me.

That delivery from Lyon at the SCG - cannot remember who it was but it might have been Riaz - was a beauty.

That's why how good cricketers are isn't purely judged by how they look

 

[Tangles]

Sarfraz 6 - middling. Managed a strong average but too many of his runs came when the pressure was way off, during the middle of collapses. When he did get a chance to mold a strong total he failed. Also wasn't too flash with the gloves, though didn't make that many glaring errors.

I recall at least 3 missed stumpings, a legside catch of a spinner and I'm sure there were more. Worst visiting keeper for a few years.

 

[S.Kennedy]

That's why how good cricketers are isn't purely judged by how they look

It was a turn of phrase! Allow me to rephrase: according to what I was watching, he resembled an ordinary spinner.

Bloody Australians.

 

[TheJediBrah]

It was a turn of phrase! Allow me to rephrase: according to what I was watching, he resembled an ordinary spinner.

Bloody Australians.

heh turn of phrase

cause he's a spinner