S Africa calls for its players to stay

[91Jmay]

More money, more job security, safer environment fo family to live, less strenuous playing County cricket than international. Ticks all the boxes as far as 'better job' is concerned.

Not more money, virtually the same by all reports pending the status of the £ of course. County cricket also has the famous grind, where you can get back home at 2 AM from a 4 day game and have an afternoon T20 14 hours later. If like it is speculated in this thread Roussou also wants to go T20 merc mode, he won't have less of a strenuous time - could be far more strenuous.

 

[artvandalay]

More money, more job security, safer environment fo family to live, less strenuous playing County cricket than international. Ticks all the boxes as far as 'better job' is concerned.

Playing for your country is a little more than just 'a job' though, isn't it?

 

[S.Kennedy]

Hope this is not a serious post, stop living in the past.

Disliking T20 is 'living in the past'? Alright. I'll take your word for it.

 

[S.Kennedy]

Mate, this test cricket snobbery won't work nowadays when county cricket itself is a pale imitation of what it used to be and the most prestigious format of the game is being subsidised by T20 leagues around the world, which is really the only way the game can spread beyond the Commonwealth whether we like it or not. It's a good source of income for several cricketers who cannot make it to the top, see Brad Hodge and all the Ranji players in the IPL. One of the reasons the Pakistan team has actually gotten weak is because not many of their players actually play in counties anymore, Imran khan himself would agree with this.

I do not agree and I wouldn't say it is snobbish to dislike Twenty20.

 

[ImpatientLime]

You know the Durham thing? Bransgrove talked about it around a week before the news broke, and what he said was what came about exactly. Nobody took it seriously at the time, thinking it was the usual end of season sour grapes/trying your luck. And most counties were not arsed about Durham's debt relief (it is not as if we were signing it on glitzy overseas players). Nobody else had actually raised the point that 'Durham had gained an advantage'.

Conspiracy theory?

Bransgrove influenced the ECB to relegate Durham and keep Hampshire up.

durham got relegated?

someone should have said.

 

[Sarun]

I do not agree and I wouldn't say it is snobbish to dislike Twenty20.

simply utterly pathetic and myopic to diss the format that pays the bills in much of cricketing world

 

[S.Kennedy]

simply utterly pathetic and myopic to diss the format that pays the bills in much of cricketing world

Utterly pathetic to expect somebody to like a format of sport because of economics!!

It doesn't pay the bills for the cricket I watch anyhow. English domestic cricket is almost entirely funded by the satellite television rights to English Test Cricket.

 

[Gnske]

I thought English domestic cricket was only owned and funded by ****s and *** *holes

I mean Londonites, Londonminiumites but hey, everyonme's godo.

 

[91Jmay]

Just how drunk are you?

 

[Niall]

Wiese goneski.

Wiese latest Protea set to sign Kolpak | IOL

 

[SeamUp]

Next Up : David Wiese

David Wiese, the South Africa allrounder, is the latest player in line for a county Kolpak deal with him nearing a move to Sussex.

Wiese has made 26 appearances in ODIs and T20s - he has a career-best of 5 for 23 in T20Is - without ever being seen as a regular. He played in last year's series win over England, and at the World T20, but his performances have not reflected his reputation for finishing games.

He has played at the IPL and CPL and remains an important part of the Titans' team but, at 31, and with the amount of young talent coming through, an international future is unlikely. He would join batsman Stiaan van Zyl at Sussex after he signed November.

ESPNcricinfo understands Wiese has already informed Titans that he is looking for a deal but CEO Jacques Faul said they have "no official confirmation" that he has secured one. Wiese is represented by Weber van Wyk, the same agent who secured deals for Abbott and Rossouw.

Wiese joining Sussex - who are coached by South African-born Mark Davis - would not swell the numbers of non-England qualified players in the squad with them having lost Ed Joyce - who is now on a part-time deal linked to his return to Ireland - and Craig Cachopa who returned to New Zealand.

 

[Noah]

And building facilities in rural and township areas etc. will spread the game, but it's not necessarily going to result in lots of black players coming through. Test cricketers (of all races) come from a handful of schools, and people like Steyn from Phalaborwa or Ntini for an Eastern Cape village, are the exception not the rule. You might get more people interested in the game, but you're not going to have a massive cohort of black cricketers.

This misses the point. The fact that most test cricketers come from a small group of elite schools is a huge part of the problem - it's not an excuse or justification for why there has been a dearth of black cricketers.

That most cricketers come from a small group of schools indicates that little progress has been made to dismantle the systems apartheid put up. The fact that black cricketers struggle to make the transition from school/provincial cricket is linked very strongly to the fact that the identification of talented teenagers predominantly takes place at a handful of elite schools, while players from non-traditional areas have to be outrageously talented to get the same attention.

I think that is a big motivation behind CSA's quotas. It will hopefully force franchises to cast their nets wider and start to identify and develop players who aren't from the same elite (often very white) recruitment areas that they've always focussed on.

If you do get large participation in grassroots cricket, common sense would dictate that you will get cohorts of black cricketers coming through. You just need to start nurturing them at higher levels rather than ignoring them and pretending a problem doesn't exist.

 

[SeamUp]

This misses the point. The fact that most test cricketers come from a small group of elite schools is a huge part of the problem - it's not an excuse or justification for why there has been a dearth of black cricketers.

That most cricketers come from a small group of schools indicates that little progress has been made to dismantle the systems apartheid put up. The fact that black cricketers struggle to make the transition from school/provincial cricket is linked very strongly to the fact that the identification of talented teenagers predominantly takes place at a handful of elite schools, while players from non-traditional areas have to be outrageously talented to get the same attention.

I think that is a big motivation behind CSA's quotas. It will hopefully force franchises to cast their nets wider and start to identify and develop players who aren't from the same elite (often very white) recruitment areas that they've always focussed on.

If you do get large participation in grassroots cricket, common sense would dictate that you will get cohorts of black cricketers coming through. You just need to start nurturing them at higher levels rather than ignoring them and pretending a problem doesn't exist.

It doesn't come from a small dearth of schools. It is actually quite a number of schools.

Then there are these guys who are playing Proteas cricket, SA 'A' cricket, franchise cricket that didn't go to the cricketing schools and it didn't stop them.

Dale Steyn/Eldred Hawken (Merensky), Dean Elgar (St Dominics) , Stiaan Van Zyl (Boland Landbou), Vernon Philander (Ravensmead), George Linde/Beuran Hendricks (Belville), Dane Paterason (Brackenfell), JP Duminy/Rory Kleinveldt (Plumstead), Christiaan Jonker (Bergsig), Anrich Nortje (Brandwag), Yaseen Vallie (Cravenby), Clyde Fortuin (St Josephs), Basheer Walters (Nasruddin), Lesiba Ngoepe (Hans Moore), Tladi Bokako (Motherwell), Lizaad Williams (Hugenote), Rabian Engelbrecht/Keegan Petersen (New Orleans), Marchant De Lange (Ben Vorster), Dillon Du Preez/Tshepo Ntuli (Louis Botha) Luthando Mnyanda (Sea Point) , Nicky Van den Bergh/Wihann Lubbe (Potch Gym) , Dwaine Pretorius (Rustenburg), Magaliso Mosehle (Dr Johan Jurgens), Eddie Leie (Potch Boys), Sean Jamison (Veritas) , David Wiese (Witbank), Albie/Morne Morkel (Vereeniging), Henry Davids (Stellenbosch), Qaasim Adams (Tafelberg), Farhaan Behardien (Westerford), Rowan Richards (John Bisseker), Junior Dala (Springs)

Many other examples.

None of those are the elite cricket schools. They are below and quite a few of them 'white minority' now.

Boland : Paarl Boys, Paul Roos, Paarl Gym
WP : Rondebosch, Wynberg, SACS, Bishops
EP : Grey , St Andrews, Woodridge , Graeme, Kingswood
Border : Queens, Selborne, Dale, Hudson Park
KZN C : DHS, Westville, Glenwood, Kearsney, Northwood , Clifton
KZN I : Maritzburg, Hilton, Michaelhouse, St Charles
FS : Grey, St Andrews
NC : Noordkaap
GAU : KES, St Stithians, St Johns, St Davids, Jeppe , Parktown
NOR : Affies, Waterkloof, Pretoria Boys, St Albans, Centurion, Menlopark


Reason they fall off is that they just not as good when it coems to the crunch for selection higher up and that comes from the base of development cricket. But in saying that, the majority of the cricketing world would love for all their people to be open to cricket but the truth is they are not but CSA are finally waking up and realising the only way they can increase development and create better skills is academies from a young age in the more disadvantaged areas.

 

[SeamUp]

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[StephenZA]

Another reason for players is support from family. It is more likely that a middle class family can afford to support a young adult trying to achieve a professional cricketing career, this is very difficult for most rural developed player once they reach 18, unless CSA can help support those players. Its not just about developing skills at a young age.

 

[SeamUp]

Another reason for players is support from family. It is more likely that a middle class family can afford to support a young adult trying to achieve a professional cricketing career, this is very difficult for most rural developed player once they reach 18, unless CSA can help support those players. Its not just about developing skills at a young age.

That is why all unions have academies doing just that.

 

[Sarun]

Utterly pathetic to expect somebody to like a format of sport because of economics!!

It doesn't pay the bills for the cricket I watch anyhow. English domestic cricket is almost entirely funded by the satellite television rights to English Test Cricket.

Nobody saying to like it.

"Much of cricketing world" line was used to exclude ones like England

 

[Watson33]

So has Kyle Abbott basically ended his tenure with the Kings XI Punjab over this? The IPL and county cricket seasons overlap and I can't imagine Hampshire will let him go for the early part of the season.

 

[StephenZA]

That is why all unions have academies doing just that.

Academies tend to concentrate on coaching... yes they try do more but it is limited. If you are an 18-20 year old who is the first person in your family to achieve a matric/grade 10 certificate and your (normally extended) family need your help providing income, life becomes very different. Yes if you have real ability and obvious skills you may get a contract early, but most players don`t get to a professional level till 20+ and need family support.

 

[SeamUp]

Academies tend to concentrate on coaching... yes they try do more but it is limited. If you are an 18-20 year old who is the first person in your family to achieve a matric/grade 10 certificate and your (normally extended) family need your help providing income, life becomes very different. Yes if you have real ability and obvious skills you may get a contract early, but most players don`t get to a professional level till 20+ and need family support.

True.

The most talented will be looked after with contracts and that is why coaching and developing genuine talent early is the best hope.

Family support is a tough situation and will lose players but we not the only country that faces issues like that. It is tough though. But all the cricket hierarchy can do is ensure the best are looked after in the right ways.

As I said before. Cricket is a difficult sport to get an opportunity because there are only 11 spots and no subs and injuries are not as frequent as other sports.