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***Official*** Pakistan in Australia 2016/17

Son Of Coco

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Someone on Cricinfo suggesting groundsmen creating "home conditions" is the reason behind Pakistan struggling here and in Oz in general. Would be interested in seeing what the difference is between this wicket and every other drop in pitch they've had in Sydney since it started being the norm. If we were dramatically altering the state of the pitch depending on who we were playing and what our/their strengths were then I'd tend to agree. I don't think that's happening on the whole though. Your only option with drop-ins really is to leave more grass on, or shave it off, as far as I know. Unfortunately, they don't tend to offer much for the bowler.

If, all of a sudden, you seemed to produce dry wickets that coincided with you having a bowler called Graeme Swann...then I'd be a bit suspicious.
 
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Zinzan

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hey remember when everyone thought Pakistan was the no. 1 side like a few months ago
Equally there were those of us maintaining they were nothing more than an ordinary side at that time if you actually looked at their personnel & got criticised for saying it.

This 5 (soon to be 6) test losses in a row came as no surprise to me.
 

adub

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Someone on Cricinfo suggesting groundsmen creating "home conditions" is the reason behind Pakistan struggling here and in Oz in general. Would be interested in seeing what the difference is between this wicket and every other drop in pitch they've had in Sydney since it started being the norm. If we were dramatically altering the state of the pitch depending on who we were playing and what our/their strengths were then I'd tend to agree. I don't think that's happening on the whole though. Your only option with drop-ins really is to leave more grass on, or shave it off, as far as I know. Unfortunately, they don't tend to off much for the bowler.

If, all of a sudden, you seemed to produce dry wickets that coincided with you having a bowler called Graeme Swann...then I'd be a bit suspicious.
Sydney isn't a drop in.
 

TheJediBrah

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Someone on Cricinfo suggesting groundsmen creating "home conditions" is the reason behind Pakistan struggling here and in Oz in general. Would be interested in seeing what the difference is between this wicket and every other drop in pitch they've had in Sydney since it started being the norm. If we were dramatically altering the state of the pitch depending on who we were playing and what our/their strengths were then I'd tend to agree. I don't think that's happening on the whole though. Your only option with drop-ins really is to leave more grass on, or shave it off, as far as I know. Unfortunately, they don't tend to off much for the bowler.

If, all of a sudden, you seemed to produce dry wickets that coincided with you having a bowler called Graeme Swann...then I'd be a bit suspicious.
Oh god don't start this again

Always funny to here this though, given Australia are one of the few places that don't specifically prepare wickets to help the home team
 

Blocky

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Australia specifically builds roads that don't break up because they want five day test matches with lots of runs scored, and they back their team to be able to beat almost any of the visitors through being slightly better in flat conditions than they are, usually due to strong, tall bowlers.
 

adub

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Khawaja needs to get some more singles to get Renshaw back on strike when he's going like this.
 

stephen

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Australia specifically builds roads that don't break up because they want five day test matches with lots of runs scored, and they back their team to be able to beat almost any of the visitors through being slightly better in flat conditions than they are, usually due to strong, tall bowlers.
Adelaide has been a road since Victor Trumper was a lad.

Sydney and Melbourne break up.

Brisbane has always had a bit in it for the bowlers on day one and then flattened out over the course of the test.

The WACA tends to develop large cracks by day 5.

Hobart has always held together well due to the climate.

If anything, Melbourne has gotten worse since they introduced drop in pitches. None of the other venues have changed character all that much in the last 30 years (apart from a period in the mid 00s where the WACA lost its bounce).
 

Spark

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Melbourne doesn't break up at all these days. Sydney does a bit, I remember the 2010 pitch had massive cracks in it, was horrible to bat on Days 4 and 5. And Perth does sometimes break up (or at least you hope it does, otherwise it gets amazingly flat).

You just won't get pitches that "break up" otherwise, the climate doesn't really allow it because the pitches get baked.
 
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stephen

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Melbourne doesn't break up at all these days. Sydney does a bit, I remember the 2010 pitch had massive cracks in it, was horrible to bat on Days 4 and 5. And Perth does sometimes break up (or at least you hope it does, otherwise it gets amazingly flat).

You just won't get pitches that "break up" otherwise, the climate doesn't really allow it because the pitches get baked.
Melbourne doesn't develop cracks so much but it tends to get very uneven bounce on days 4 and 5. This year doesn't count since we basically lost two days to rain.
 

Spark

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Melbourne doesn't develop cracks so much but it tends to get very uneven bounce on days 4 and 5. This year doesn't count since we basically lost two days to rain.
Nah ever since the drop in, especially recently, it's been a dream to bat on late on. There's been some really big chases in Shield cricket especially of late.

That's a really, really lazy shot there.

EDIT: Actually I'm not being completely fair. There's actually been a bit of seam movement in Melbourne and surprising bounce at times in international matches, but some of the Shield matches have been segments of the Hume Highway.
 
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