The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Shady Slim]

did somebody say warne vs murali debate

 

[Coronis]

did somebody say warne vs murali debate

I just got bored of blocky and tjb.

 

[Maximus0723]

L.Hutton
S.Gavaskar
D.Bradman
S.Tendulkar
V.Richards
G.Sobers
A.Gilchrist
W.Akram
M.Marshall
S.Warne
G.McGrath


Can't imagine a combo of bowlers in an ATG team that would be better than this. Has everything.

I had extremely similar team to that, which was my ATG team.
But after thinking, I prefer post-packer players over pre-packers. They played in increasingly different conditions (players, pitches, teams, fitness)

My team,
Gavaskar
Hayden
RIchards
Lara
Waugh
Border
Gilchrist
Imran
Marshall
Warne
Steyn

 

[Shri]

The Knighted vs Non-Knighted XI

Sir Jack Hobbs
Sir Len Hutton
Sir Don Bradman
Sir Viv Richards
Sir Everton Weekes
Sir Garry Sobers
Sir Clyde Walcott +
Sir Ian Botham
Sir Richard Hadlee
Sir Andy Roberts
Sir Curtly Ambrose

vs

Sunil Gavaskar
Herbert Sutcliffe
Brian Lara
Sachin Tendulkar
Greg Chappell
Jacques Kallis
Adam Gilchrist +
Malcolm Marshall
Shane Warne
Dale Steyn
Glenn McGrath

Sir Ravindra Jadeja? Harsh drop.

 

[Shri]

Ind-WI XI

S Gavaskar
V Sehwag
V Richards
S Tendulkar
B Lara
G Sobers
M Dhoni
M Marshall
A Kumble
M Holding
C Ambrose

12th: A Roberts

Don't know who to drop fro George Headley.

 

[Howe_zat]

Northern

Len Hutton
Herbert Sutcliffe
Geoff Boycott
Stanley Jackson
Joe Root
Andrew Flintoff
Wilfred Rhodes
Bob Taylor
Headley Verity
Fred Trueman
Sydney Barnes

Southern

Jack Hobbs
Alastair Cook
Wally Hammond
Ken Barrington
Denis Compton
Ian Botham
Alan Knott
Maurice Tate
Derek Underwood
Alec Bedser
Bob Willis

Alternate Northern side has Bairstow instead of Rhodes in the middle order and then Anderson ahead of Taylor in the tail for a bit more balance. Not more Ballance though. He's from Zimbabwe

Jim Laker left out due to being from Yorkshire but playing for Surrey.

 

[Zinzan]

Ind-WI XI

S Gavaskar
V Sehwag
V Richards
S Tendulkar
B Lara
G Sobers
M Dhoni
M Marshall
A Kumble
M Holding
C Ambrose

12th: A Roberts

Don't know who to drop fro George Headley.

Mine's better...

S Gavaskar
G Greenidge
V Richards
B Lara
S Tendulkar
G Sobers
C Walcott+
M Marshall
M Holding (L Gibbs if in the SC)
J Garner
C Ambrose

 

[Zinzan]

Northern

Len Hutton
Herbert Sutcliffe
Geoff Boycott
Stanley Jackson
Joe Root
Andrew Flintoff
Wilfred Rhodes
Bob Taylor
Headley Verity
Fred Trueman
Sydney Barnes

Southern

Jack Hobbs
Alastair Cook
Wally Hammond
Ken Barrington
Denis Compton
Ian Botham
Alan Knott
Maurice Tate
Derek Underwood
Alec Bedser
Bob Willis

Alternate Northern side has Bairstow instead of Rhodes in the middle order and then Anderson ahead of Taylor in the tail for a bit more balance. Not more Ballance though. He's from Zimbabwe

Jim Laker left out due to being from Yorkshire but playing for Surrey.

What's the cut-off incidentally?

 

[ImpatientLime]

What's the cut-off incidentally?

watford

 

[Shri]

Mine's better...

S Gavaskar
G Greenidge
V Richards
B Lara
S Tendulkar
G Sobers
C Walcott+
M Marshall
M Holding (L Gibbs if in the SC)
J Garner
C Ambrose

Walcott had back trouble and gave up keeping, didn't he? Might as well pick Dravid as a keeper then. Greenidge was good but a regularly good opener, while Sehwag did things in test cricket as an opener that no one did before, regardless of pitches or his flaws. And finally, a decent leg spinner is always more useful than a off spinner of similar talent. But yeah, outside India/SL, I would play four WI fast bowlers anyway.

 

[Zinzan]

Greenidge was so much more than a regularly good opener, he was a great. Don't be fooled by his average, he's kind of in the Martin Crowe category of someone much better than his mid 40s average suggests, and the era in which he played, hardly anyone averaged 50. On top of that Greenidge could be absolutely devastating on his day, different, but not unlike Sehwag.

And lol @ Walcott possibly having back problems later in his career, he's still a 57 average batsmen who could keep well & did so in 15 tests, so I'd take him over Dhoni averaging 20 less any day of the week. Never rated Dhoni's batting much at Test level tbh, even though he was a champion white-ball bat.

Kumble was a very fine bowler, but I'm a big fan a Lance Gibbs after reading quite a bit from contemporaries of his time and seeing some old footage.

Happy to stick with my side.

 

[Shri]

Yeah he kept only in 15 tests and wasn't known for his keeping skills especially. An aggressive but less talented option at number seven would be better given the fact that he's a more experienced and safe keeper.

 

[ImpatientLime]

Greenidge was so much more than a regularly good opener, he was a great. Don't be fooled by his average, he's kind of in the Martin Crowe category of someone much better than his mid 40s average suggests, and the era in which he played, hardly anyone averaged 50. On top of that Greenidge could be absolutely devastating on his day, different, but not unlike Sehwag.

And lol @ Walcott possibly having back problems later in his career, he's still a 57 average batsmen who could keep well & did so in 15 tests, so I'd take him over Dhoni averaging 20 less any day of the week. Never rated Dhoni's batting much at Test level tbh, even though he was a champion white-ball bat.

Kumble was a very fine bowler, but I'm a big fan a Lance Gibbs after reading quite a bit from contemporaries of his time and seeing some old footage.

Happy to stick with my side.

he's not a 57 average batsman when keeping.

 

[Agent TBY]

Could just pick Engineer or Dujon. No real need for Walcott at 7 with that top six.

 

[Howe_zat]

What's the cut-off incidentally?

Northampton.

 

[harsh.ag]

Team Grace's Giggles		Team Wisden's Wiggles
Barry Richards		Jack Hobbs
Viv Richards		Len Hutton (c)
Brian Lara		Don Bradman
Graeme Pollock	vs	Sachin Tendulkar
Garry Sobers (c)		Greg Chappell
Adam Gilchrist +		Jacques Kallis
Imran Khan		Alan Knott +
Richard Hadlee		Wasim Akram
Malcolm Marshall		Dale Steyn
Shane Warne		Bill O'Reilly
Muttiah Muralitharan		Glenn McGrath

Vote for the team you would:

a) prefer to watch
b) pick for a win
c) like to invite for a dinner party

 

[Shri]

Bored XIs

G

Greenidge
Gavaskar
Gower
Gibbs
Ganguly
Gayle
Gilchrist
Gillespie
Garner
Gupte
Gough

S

Sutcliffe
Smith
Sangakkara
Smith
Sobers
Sehwag
Stewart
Streak
Swann
Steyn
Statham

H

Hutton
Hobbs
Headley
Harvey
Hammond
Hussey
Healy
Hadlee
Herath
Holding
Harris

R

Rogers
Root
Richards
Ranatunga
Ranjitsinhji
Richardson
Russell+
Rhodes
Reiffel
Roberts
Reid

This took me way longer than I thought it would and I cbf'd doing "I", spelling my name.

Here is I:

I

1 ?
2 ?
3 Ingram
4 Iredale
5 Irvine
6 Irani
7 Illingworth
8 Indrajitsinhji+
9 Iverson
10 Ironside
11 Ironmonger

 

[Zinzan]

Team Grace's Giggles		Team Wisden's Wiggles
Barry Richards		Jack Hobbs
Viv Richards		Len Hutton (c)
Brian Lara		Don Bradman
Graeme Pollock	vs	Sachin Tendulkar
Garry Sobers (c)		Greg Chappell
Adam Gilchrist +		Jacques Kallis
Imran Khan		Alan Knott +
Richard Hadlee		Wasim Akram
Malcolm Marshall		Dale Steyn
Shane Warne		Bill O'Reilly
Muttiah Muralitharan		Glenn McGrath

Vote for the team you would:

a) prefer to watch
b) pick for a win
c) like to invite for a dinner party

a) GG
b) Toss of a coin - Sobers & Gilly over Kallis and Knott, make up for Bradman
c) Can't escape from Warne and Chappell either way, so probably GG overall.

 

[Burgey]

Ind-WI XI

S Gavaskar
V Sehwag
V Richards
S Tendulkar
B Lara
G Sobers
M Dhoni
M Marshall
A Kumble
M Holding
C Ambrose

12th: A Roberts

Don't know who to drop fro George Headley.

I'd be more worried about who to drop for Gordon Greenidge.

 

[honestbharani]

Best XI from players I have seen - Version Jan 2017



Cook
Sehwag
Kallis
Lara
Sachin
Sanga (c)\
Gilchrist
Warne
Wasim
Murali / Steyn (based on conditions)
Ambrose