***Official*** Pakistan in Australia 2016/17

[Spikey]

I grew up playing against Warner, and I'd never seen anything like it in terms of pure pace off the bat, and that was using an Impala as an Under 17.

you better not be ragging on impalas bud

 

[Tangles]

There used to be a trade off between using a heavy 3lb bat and a lighter one that was say 2lb 7. That trade off was bat speed and control. Very few people could create the same bat speed with a 3lb bat as with the lighter one. A lighter bat allowed a player to play later and generate more bat speed.

Modern bats don't have the trade off. Light and big with a larger profile than the old 3lb bats. It's an advantage to the batsman with no comparable technology shift to help bowlers. Drs is how they are trying to even it out.

 

[TNT]

There used to be a trade off between using a heavy 3lb bat and a lighter one that was say 2lb 7. That trade off was bat speed and control. Very few people could create the same bat speed with a 3lb bat as with the lighter one. A lighter bat allowed a player to play later and generate more bat speed.

Modern bats don't have the trade off. Light and big with a larger profile than the old 3lb bats. It's an advantage to the batsman with no comparable technology shift to help bowlers. Drs is how they are trying to even it out.

When I try to find this advantage to the batsmen I cant find where it is, bowlers in the last ten years have taken more wickets per match (30.5) than the 90's (29.4) and 80's (29.7). Batsmen have only increased their output per wicket by 2 runs per wicket and teams do bat deeper than previous so I think that's where the extra runs come from. Batsmen definitely score faster that's for sure but that is good for the game and I would hate to see efforts made to slow the game down.

Batsmen 1-5 in the 60's averaged 38.87 runs per innings, the last ten yeas batsmen 1-5 average 40.43 which is 1.56 runs per innings more.

 

[Compton]

If there's no trade off, then why don't all players have Warner-sized bats? Oversimplification in my book.

 

[social]

Yeah edges never went for four runs in the 90's. Those guys in the 90's only ever hit the middle of the bat, wow they were the days.

I played cricket for 20 years and I dont think that there would've have been 50 leading edges that cleared the ring and went for 4 in those matches

Warner probably does it 20 times a season and whilst he has very fast hands, he also benefits from playing with a bat that basically has 3 faces on it

Give him Barry Richards' bat to use and many of those simply lob straight up in the air so he would be forced to change his game

 

[social]

If there's no trade off, then why don't all players have Warner-sized bats? Oversimplification in my book.

Go to your local sports store and you'll find that they are all massive

 

[social]

Lyon has 1 more innings to salvage his test career IMO

Unless he performs well, I'd leave him out for Sydney and might not even take him to India

 

[Pup Clarke]

I'm not a spin bowling connoisseur by any stretch , but only thing that is noticeable about Lyon is that he very rarely alters the speed o his arm. He has a quick motion through his delivery stride, and I wonder whether this contributes to him bowling consistently the same speed. Warne and Vettori are spinners who immediately come to mind as bowlers who could 'hold back' their deliveries or fire one in (i.e Warne's flipper) Just an observation

 

[centurymaker]

I played cricket for 20 years and I dont think that there would've have been 50 leading edges that cleared the ring and went for 4 in those matches

Warner probably does it 20 times a season and whilst he has very fast hands, he also benefits from playing with a bat that basically has 3 faces on it

Give him Barry Richards' bat to use and many of those simply lob straight up in the air so he would be forced to change his game

Agreed.

Batsman nowadays definitely have it easier.

It's so much easier to score runs with faster outfields, considerably better bats, smaller grounds..

Thats why usually ..a 100 now doesn't feel as special as it used to.

 

[Burgey]

People of Melbourne have really flocked in again today.

 

[Burgey]

Agreed.

Batsman nowadays definitely have it easier.

It's so much easier to score runs with faster outfields, considerably better bats, smaller grounds..

Thats why usually ..a 100 now doesn't feel as special as it used to.

Do you think batting is easier now than it was, say 10 years ago?

I think it's swung back a touch towards bowlers these days than it was a decade or so back.

Then again, that might be because these days there aren't as many good players as there were a decade or so back.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

If there's no trade off, then why don't all players have Warner-sized bats? Oversimplification in my book.

While Warner's bat is definitely on the large side of the spectrum, all bats these days are ****ing huge. One of the guys in my team has one of Maddo's bats that he used for net sessions and it's like a ****in' tree trunk, it's ridiculous.

 

[Burgey]

Yeah they are all massive. I've got a cue that's about 6-7 years old, and it has big edges for its time, but it's like a toothpick compared with Burgeinho's.

 

[Johnners]

uzi

check for a noball?

 

[morgieb]

That's a nuisance. Time for the lower-middle order to step up.

 

[Burgey]

That's a nuisance. Time for the lower-middle order to step up.

Wouldn't be before time.

Comms we're pretty stupid this morning (no spurprises) saying Australia were in the box seat at 160 behind with a couple starting to stay low. Big partnership this.

 

[Compton]

Commentary making a deal of that being a good bit of bowling. Not necessarily disagreeing - Wahab has bowled well - but that was just a **** shot from Khawaja.

 

[Stapel]

Completely regardless of whomever you support, batsmen who are in the 90s at stumps, are not supposed to lose their wicket just after coming in the next morning, before getting 'there'. Just not cricket!

 

[Compton]

TPC is a ***y bastard playing shots like that.

 

[Pratters]

Wahab has bent his back today on a placid track. Been great to watch.