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He's a different type of bowler. Bowls with attrition in mind.
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Blocky
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Lyon is only dangerous and only gets wickets when the opposition are already under pressure and needing to defend/survive. You saw it yesterday, he was absolutely easy for Amla to punch around all over the show, but the moment they had to shut up shop and try keep him out, suddenly he started being effective.
He's a middling off spinner, with no variation nor flight; had he not played in a dominant Australian team most of his career, I doubt he'd have the wickets he has.
He's a middling off spinner, with no variation nor flight; had he not played in a dominant Australian team most of his career, I doubt he'd have the wickets he has.
Red
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Well, no, because he'd tied Duminy right down and he tried to play a shot that wasnt there across the line, Bavuma tried to sweep aggressively but Lyon beat him in flight, and he beat Abbott in flight and got him stuck at the crease LBW. None had "shut up shop and tried to keep him out".
He does play on confidence a bit though. Once he gets a wicket or two his bowling goes up a notch.
Blocky
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It was at the close of play, in conditions where South Africa knew they needed to bat time and get to the morning session - he was free to continue bowling wide of off stump to the left handers and get it to turn away because none of them were looking to smash him through the line of the ball. As usual,mistakes were made that gifted him wickets.
He reminds me a little bit of Paul Wiseman from NZ, who had a similar action, similar turn and was similarly useful when bowling at people when the job was already done.
Red
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Well, no again. I'm not even sure what you're trying to say. "None of them were looking to smash through the line of the ball"? Duminy was, and Bavuma was clearly trying to score. Neither were "batting time" (if by that you mean shutting up shop and not trying to score). Here's the video if you want to see Duminy and Bavuma go out not shutting up shop. And Abbott's was just a good off spinner to a tail ender.
http://www.cricket.com.au/video#videoId=5225076984001
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Red
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No. Duminy played that daft shot because Lyon's pressure had stopped him scoring.
Blocky
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I do love how Australian's try protect Lyon's legacy, as if they need him to be more than he is.
Duminy played the daft shot because he's prone to brain explosions, Amla showed how easy Lyon is to hit around the park, Duminy wasn't taking the right options, nor was Bavuma. Look at Lyon throughout the series when RSA weren't under pressure, he was pretty much dropped, so let's not pretend he's great, especially considering you have no other spinners in the game and still he would've been dropped prior to this.
Duminy played the daft shot because he's prone to brain explosions, Amla showed how easy Lyon is to hit around the park, Duminy wasn't taking the right options, nor was Bavuma. Look at Lyon throughout the series when RSA weren't under pressure, he was pretty much dropped, so let's not pretend he's great, especially considering you have no other spinners in the game and still he would've been dropped prior to this.
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Athlai
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I rather got the impression Bavuma wasn't batting time
Red
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No one has said he's great. Even his GOAT nickname is sort of tongue in cheek. No one is trying to protect his legacy. Fact is he's a good spinner making the most of his abilities. And he has a few hundred test wickets. Good on him.
Fact is you've said one thing (they were playing for time), been shown to be wrong, changed your tune (now Duminy and Bavuma "took the wrong options"). You can't have it every way. No one is arguing he's the greatest, so stop trying to make arguments where there aren't any.
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I don't get this at all. He's possibly the most likeable guy in world cricket.
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He's shown everything to suggest he'd have had more than lyon's success
Far superior First-class numbers, out-bowled lyon pretty much every time they play together, just plain better in general
cnerd123
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I think PEWS made the interesting point that when you consider wickets that don't turn a lot, an offspinner who focuses on overspin (like Lyon) vs one who focuses on sidespin (like O Keefe) is likely to be more effective vs Test quality batsmen, since handling things like drift, dip and bounce are trickier than handling sideways movement.
I thought there was some merit to this, but modern batsmen even at Test level seem to commit themselves to hitting through the line a lot more than they used to, which would mean you'd be better off with a side-spinner even if the conditions don't have sharp turn.
stephen
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You are completely clueless mate. Spinners don't need to be Shane Warne to take wickets. You don't need fancy mystery balls. You don't need huge turn either. All you need is control, a bit of turn and subtle variations. Lyon has that. He's an old-school finger spinner. He's never going to be the centerpiece of an attack and is never going to be the most attractive bowler to watch. But he'll pressure batsmen and take wickets, which is exactly what he's done for years now.
I don't know what you have against Australia but you dramatically underrate Australian players who get the job done (Smith, Lyon). You clearly don't understand the game of cricket and what makes a player good. Or you're a troll.