***Official*** England in India 2016/17

[Daemon]

I think control of the ball is a bit of a red herring anyway, because it has to have control of his own movement for it to be a fair catch, and given he was still in his follow-through he pretty clearly didn't IMO.



Like I said though we've all seen fielders catch and release quicker than that before they've really gained control over their own movement before and it never seems to matter unless they're near the boundary. I think the ruling of out is consistent in our weird little world of inconsistency but I think as per the letter of the law it wasn't actually out.

But him intentionally tossing the ball up after having both hands wrapped around the ball firmly was indication that he had control over his own movement.

 

[harsh.ag]

No, he juggled the ball and never had control.

Nope.

Have a look at the catch. He was doing the kind of throw where you thrust open your palms upwards in a V-fashion and the ball pops up to some height. Just did it poorly, as it happens sometimes with that kind of an action. Has happened to me as well many times.

The juggling bit came later and wasn't part of the equation.

 

[91Jmay]

I think control of the ball is a bit of a red herring anyway, because it has to have control of his own movement for it to be a fair catch, and given he was still in his follow-through he pretty clearly didn't IMO.



Like I said though we've all seen fielders catch and release quicker than that before they've really gained control over their own movement before and it never seems to matter unless they're near the boundary. I think the ruling of out is consistent in our weird little world of inconsistency but I think as per the letter of the law it wasn't actually out.

To be fair though, it sounds stupid to say but that is clearly quite different from throwing a ball away to stop yourself going over the rope. One is a deliberate act of removing the possession of the ball from yourself, the other is clearly an act of celebration.

 

[grecian]

It's giving out because of the soft call by the umpire who was a few feet from it happening, really no point in wahhing.

Worse things have happened today.

 

[Prince EWS]

But him intentionally tossing the ball up after having both hands wrapped around the ball firmly was indication that he had control over his own movement.

He had control over his arms; he didn't have control over his legs yet.

 

[Biryani Pillow]

I think control of the ball is a bit of a red herring anyway, because it has to have control of his own movement for it to be a fair catch, and given he was still in his follow-through he pretty clearly didn't IMO.



Like I said though we've all seen fielders catch and release quicker than that before they've really gained control over their own movement before and it never seems to matter unless they're near the boundary. I think the ruling of out is consistent in our weird little world of inconsistency but I think as per the letter of the law it wasn't actually out.

And key words here are 'and of further disposal'.

 

[Daemon]

He had control over his arms; he didn't have control over his legs yet.

So any catch KW took in the first test should be negated because he didn't have control of his bowels at that point.

 

[Howe_zat]

Stokes scores his first run against India in his 3rd match against them.

 

[Prince EWS]

To be fair though, it sounds stupid to say but that is clearly quite different from throwing a ball away to stop yourself going over the rope. One is a deliberate act of removing the possession of the ball from yourself, the other is clearly an act of celebration.

Yeah but the law isn't actually written like that. We've kind of common-law'd our way to that distinction, which I think is largely fine but it's worth thinking about.

 

[DriveClub]

Feel another wicket here

 

[Blocky]

Aside for your piss take about KW's guts, I do think Root has his nose in front of both Smith & KW as of this moment. In fact I had him slightly ahead coming into this series.

Root has that ability to grind when he's winning, it reminds me of the Steve Waugh / Ricky Ponting / Matt Hayden / Sangakkara ability that you don't see him give his innings away that frequently. I think Williamson's let down, and alarmingly also Latham's is that they get themselves into equal positions and throw it away. Rather than finding ways to get into winning positions from their starts.

 

[weldone]

Stokes has reached his highest score against India

 

[91Jmay]

Root has that ability to grind when he's winning, it reminds me of the Steve Waugh / Ricky Ponting / Matt Hayden / Sangakkara ability that you don't see him give his innings away that frequently. I think Williamson's let down, and alarmingly also Latham's is that they get themselves into equal positions and throw it away. Rather than finding ways to get into winning positions from their starts.

You are literally describing Root's achilles heel.

 

[OverratedSanity]

**** me this is going to be a good score. Well played Root and Moeen.

 

[91Jmay]

Ball reversing nicely here. Looking forward to Stokes/Broad doing it.

 

[Blocky]

You are literally describing Root's achilles heel.

Root in matches won has a great strike rate and average.

 

[Pothas]

Ball reversing nicely here. Looking forward to Stokes/Broad doing it.

Yep, plenty of encouragement. Do wish we had that extra pace bowler though.

 

[91Jmay]

He also has a huge amount of scores between 50-80.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I've always been a closeted "Gibbs didn't really drop the WC" believer. The 'have control of the ball' bit has always seemed rather vague to me.

 

[Blocky]

He also has a huge amount of scores between 50-80.

Sure - but they're generally once England have already collapsed around him.

Williamson tends to do it when we're still in with a shot.