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***Official*** Australia in South Africa + South Africa in Australia 2016/17

DriveClub

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Getting tired of this, it wasnt a howler, a marginal decision that went bowlers way. There's really nothing much left to discuss about it.
 

mr_mister

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Smith looked absolutely dead on impact.

He wouldn't have been out lbw if he hadn't made such a stupid misjudgement.
wouldn't say he looked dead on impact.. he was struck in line of the stumps sure but everything else is hard to comment on considering he's 3 metres down the crease. has 100+ years of precedent been ignored all of a sudden for any particular reason by this forum
 

Zinzan

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wouldn't say he looked dead on impact.. he was struck in line of the stumps sure but everything else is hard to comment on considering he's 3 metres down the crease. has 100+ years of precedent been ignored all of a sudden for any particular reason by this forum
I honestly thought it was dead watching it live, no joke. I was surprised when it was only clipping leg on the replay.

RE the 100+ years, you can't have been watching cricket in the last couple if you think this is the first time.... a couple of NZ batsmen were given well down the wicket in India recently, and that was without DRS....

I thought it was fairly common knowledge that the introduction of DRS has resulted in umpires having the confidence to give LBW even if batsmen are well down the wicket, ones they wouldn't have given previously...
 

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There was a similar decision given to Harbhajan (I think) on AB de Villiers, when India beat SA at Durban. That seemed harsh and the ball tracker showed it going over the stumps. No DRS back then of course.
 

OverratedSanity

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wouldn't say he looked dead on impact.. he was struck in line of the stumps sure but everything else is hard to comment on considering he's 3 metres down the crease. has 100+ years of precedent been ignored all of a sudden for any particular reason by this forum
Thats because we're slowly realizing that the 100 years of precedent might actually have been wrong. Seriously, think about it, why should a batsman be totally immune to an lbw just because he's come down the pitch? Disregard for a moment here that the ball was maybe clipping leg stump... If it had been showing hitting middle of middle on replay, would you still say he shouldn't have been given out just because he jumped down the track and because of the precedent we've set? We need to establish what it is that's actually iffy about the decision here : a) the fact that he was down the pitch b) the fact that the ball was clipping leg.

If it's a), I don't think "precedent" is a solid argument.
Of its b) you have a problem with, it's just a standard umpires call which we see every test. A marginal 50-50 call which could go either way.
 
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Blocky

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wouldn't say he looked dead on impact.. he was struck in line of the stumps sure but everything else is hard to comment on considering he's 3 metres down the crease. has 100+ years of precedent been ignored all of a sudden for any particular reason by this forum
Because we now have technology indicating that the ball will go on and hit more often than not.

It's pure stupidity and an arbitrary thought to think "Well I'm three metres out of my crease, I can't possibly be given out for LBW" - are you saying no ball at the three meter mark will hit the stumps?

Just petulance from an arrogant little toad who is trying to be more than he actually is.
 

indiaholic

International Captain
If you are calling Smith petulant, then you are wrong. He explicitly said in the press conference that his decision was fine.
 

TheJediBrah

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MMarsh's decision is entirely down to the new DRS rule. Would have been ump's call before.
Would have been shown to be missing the stumps entirely if the DRS parameters were entered correctly.

And can we please stop talking about the Smith lbw? Maybe he was a bit unlucky, but you can't say the decision was explicitly "wrong". Let's just all get over it.
 

Zinzan

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Because we now have technology indicating that the ball will go on and hit more often than not.

It's pure stupidity and an arbitrary thought to think "Well I'm three metres out of my crease, I can't possibly be given out for LBW" - are you saying no ball at the three meter mark will hit the stumps?

Just petulance from an arrogant little toad who is trying to be more than he actually is.
Not sure if that's aimed at Smith or Mr_Mister... I'm guessing the former.
 

OverratedSanity

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It's pretty obvious that he meant Smith, Zinzan. Although he isn't right there either. Smith hasn't really had a whinge about it at all.
 

Zinzan

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Yeah I was pulling his chain & yes Smith was reasonable about it in the press conference.
 

Shady Slim

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i thought that it was plumb live so was surprised to see how narrow it was

big strides in down the wicket are a stupid reason to not be given
 

Shady Slim

International Coach
also smith's a **** captain been saying it for ages his presence on the field is horrid for morale

it'd be a bit difference if he was being harsh on himself but he's being harsh on everyone else and that's bad
 

SeamUp

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There was a similar decision given to Harbhajan (I think) on AB de Villiers, when India beat SA at Durban. That seemed harsh and the ball tracker showed it going over the stumps. No DRS back then of course.
I remember that. Was fuming at the time. There was DRS but India didn't use it. Couldn't believe AB was given out besides the fact it was missing, that batsman don't even have protection for going down the wicket anymore. So kind of understand to disbelief re: Smith even if clipping the stumps.

Bowlers do need a bit more protection in the game today is the only reason I can go with it but only just.

There was a suspect decision involving DRS when England beat us at Durban after/before that but can't quite remember who it was
 

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