Why do England struggle to produce undisputedly great players?

[Shady Slim]

could argue that the attitudes in england towards cricket throughout the years haven't been conducive to producing a lot of "x factor" players that all the crowds come to see

like you had botham and pietersen but compare that to lillee, warne, even warner to an extent as a modern example are big boisterous guys who rake in crowds

 

[GIMH]

Freddie was the man they came to see

 

[listento_me]

Freddie was the man they came to see

can't argue with this

Swann was also a character and I went to a number of matches during his tenure and he was always a hot topic.

 

[Burgey]

I went to couple of matches just to hector Swann. Man was a complete ****.

 

[ImpatientLime]

swann was undoubtedly one of the least likeable ****s to play for england.

muh top top cheeky lad banter.

**** off.

 

[Furball]

Nah piss off his Ashes diaries in 2010/11 were quality.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

I loved him as he was a quality player and he wound up the opposition players and fans. The perfect player

 

[ImpatientLime]

Nah piss off his Ashes diaries in 2010/11 were quality.

yeah if LADbible is your homepage then sure.

 

[Shri]

I loved him as he was a quality player and he wound up the opposition players and fans. The perfect player

The rest hate him because he was a coward who took the first(second? third? Its hard to keep track of the ones that ran away during MJ's Ashes) flight home when his team was getting smashed.

 

[OverratedSanity]

The rest hate him because he was a coward who took the first(second? third? Its hard to keep track of the ones that ran away during MJ's Ashes) flight home when his team was getting smashed.

His elbow was gone by that point I think. Probably shouldn't have left the squad entirely though.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

The rest hate him because he was a coward who took the first(second? third? Its hard to keep track of the ones that ran away during MJ's Ashes) flight home when his team was getting smashed.

The signs were there a long time before, after the last operation he wasn't the same bowler and admits he should have retired after the home ashes. If it had been a tour anywhere else he wouldn't have gone and you can't hate him for one decision given the amount of matches he had won or been a part of winning over the years. At the time the decision stank but looking back now I don't hold it against him as he was so good.

 

[Daemon]

At least he wasn't the captain when ditching his team for the next flight home unlike the former TPC

 

[Black_Warrior]

At least he wasn't the captain when ditching his team for the next flight home unlike the former TPC

I don't see him being captain for very long to be honest. A 0-4 thrashing in India might see Warner replace him

 

[marc71178]

His elbow was gone by that point I think. Probably shouldn't have left the squad entirely though.

He did want to stay on and mentor the other spinners in the squad but Flower told him he couldn't.

 

[Shri]

At least he wasn't the captain when ditching his team for the next flight home unlike the former TPC

Who?

 

[listento_me]

I went to couple of matches just to hector Swann. Man was a complete ****.

hahaha

I've gone to England tests and made fun of Broady but he's always taken it with a bit of a smile. Good lad.

I regard Jimmy Anderson about equal to Makhaya Ntini. The weight of numbers is impressive and on his day he is a real threat. But in the bigger scheme of things he is a bit of a nobody.

I can see the comparison, although I don't agree with the last sentence.

Having said that, it's important to understand atg have to be good in all forms of cricket, tests and ODIs. Jimmy is pretty mediocre in ODIs.

 

[marc71178]

Having said that, it's important to understand atg have to be good in all forms of cricket, tests and ODIs.

What total and utter bollocks. By that definition you're excluding 100 years of cricketers including the best batsman of all time and the best all rounder ever.

 

[Shri]

What total and utter bollocks. By that definition you're excluding 100 years of cricketers including the best batsman of all time and the best all rounder ever.

I don't think what he said disqualifies Kallis.

 

[Furball]

hahaha

I've gone to England tests and made fun of Broady but he's always taken it with a bit of a smile. Good lad.

I can see the comparison, although I don't agree with the last sentence.

Having said that, it's important to understand atg have to be good in all forms of cricket, tests and ODIs. Jimmy is pretty mediocre in ODIs.

I most certainly would not describe someone with over 250 wickets at a sub 30 average as mediocre.

 

[listento_me]

What total and utter bollocks. By that definition you're excluding 100 years of cricketers including the best batsman of all time and the best all rounder ever.

cmon, use some common sense mate, we're obviously looking at different time periods. Why would I expect someone to be great at ODI cricket when it didn't even exist? Not on an international level anyway.

So, if you did engage your brain, you'd realise this should be the modern criteria for cricketers. If you look at all the truly great bowlers/batsman, post the mid 70s, theyve had extended careers and extended greatness in both formats. Akram, McGrath, Ponting, Lara, Tendulkar, Gilly, Miandad, Imran, Younis and so on.

With regards to Jimmy, he does not touch those heights.