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***Official*** New Zealand in India 2016

NZTailender

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Had actually wondered the rationale behind Wagner batting 11 last Test - wondered if he had been carrying a niggle or something?
 

Athlai

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I just thought they backed Boult more against the spinners. I can't really remember seeing Wagner bat much against spin before.
 

straw man

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Had actually wondered the rationale behind Wagner batting 11 last Test - wondered if he had been carrying a niggle or something?
I just thought they backed Boult more against the spinners. I can't really remember seeing Wagner bat much against spin before.
That was bizarre. While Boult did score a fifty on a low pudding in Bangladesh, that has very little relevance on turning Indian pitches and his defense is generally pretty terrible. Wagner is simply better than that with the bat.
 

Zinzan

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I don't think there's much between Waggers & Boult with the bat truth be told. Neither are Chris Martin, and both are probably good enough to average between 12-15 in Test cricket if they put their mind to it.
 

Zinzan

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Yeah but we're living in a world where Ravi Ashton is regarded by many posters as a "genuine allrounder".
I'm not jumping on the Ashwon is the greatest since Sobers train either, but what world doesn't see a Test cricketer who after 37 tests averages mid 30s with bat and mid 20s with ball as being a genuine allrounder?

Only Imran & Miller have better numbers as bowling all-rounders.
 

Kippax

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That was bizarre. While Boult did score a fifty on a low pudding in Bangladesh, that has very little relevance on turning Indian pitches and his defense is generally pretty terrible. Wagner is simply better than that with the bat.
I heard Hesson say Watling won't bat higher than No. 7 on this tour even though on ability he deserves to, so it may be a similar little Hesson consideration for fitness. Enduro Wagner being given just the ten minutes before NZ's required to bowl.
 

Burgey

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I'm not jumping on the Ashwon is the greatest since Sobers train either, but what world doesn't see a Test cricketer who after 37 tests averages mid 30s with bat and mid 20s with ball as being a genuine allrounder?

Only Imran & Miller have better numbers as bowling all-rounders.
Yeah, and they batted five or six, not at number eight for most of their careers.
 

Zinzan

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Yeah, and they batted five or six, not at number eight for most of their careers.
Not quite true, Imran batted mostly at 7, and actually batted more times at 8 than he did at 6. His promotion to 6 happened quite late in his career, saying nothing about that fact India bat a lot deeper than Pakistan did in Imran's time.

You are right about Miller though.

Either way, don't think I'm trying to compare Ashwin with Imran or Miller as all-rounders, I'm not, but pretending he's not a genuine all-rounder when he's scored 4 hundreds in 37 tests, and averages mid 30s is some pretty bad denial.
 

Zinzan

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Fair point, although to semi-counter that, half of Imran's tons came against India, who were the 2nd worst test team after SL in Imran's era of 1978-1989. ;)
 

OverratedSanity

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If the pitch has something for the bowlers, this is New Zealand's chance imo. If they're going to get a result in this series it's going to either be on a real Nagpur-esque minefield or something which brings Boult into the game.
 

Zinzan

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I hope you're right, everything I've read about this venue in the previews suggest the opposite.
 

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