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[TheJediBrah]

I know this will not be a popular post, but that's not important.

I first want to say that I don't hold what Mark Nicholas wrote against him. He has offered a well written and I assume heartfelt apology and that should be the end of the matter from his perspective.

But these not so subtle insensitive jabs, made by persons who have no idea what it's like to black in a still very racist world. Racism still exists (just look at the US Republican front runner) and it's not funny or amusing.

While.neither is particularly charitable or sporting, there is a difference between labeling an individual not the shapes to tool in the shed (and again, definitely not condoning that charge either) and calling an entire team brainless.

We are a race that is still seen in some quarters as inferior and are reminded of same by these segments at every possible opportunity. If you have not experienced it, please don't comment on it.


Yes, some of Sammy's comments could have been better timed, but so have some of the comments here.

Quite frankly it has been quite disappointing and a little sad.

You don't see the irony of certain comments only being considered racist when directed at a certain race but not when directed at others? That is genuinely what's "racist". Stating a fact or opinion about someone that is a legitimate comment and yet being perceived as "racist" because the object of the comment is of a certain race is insane yet ubiquitous in the Western world and is genuinely sickening.

what is the point of cricket commentary or journalism at all if every time someone has something negative to say about West Indies' players they have to hold their tongue be at risk of labelled a bigot? Absolutely absurd.

 

[Tom Flint]

What is it with the West Indies feeling so hard done by? Why are the playing the victim as if it's them against the world. I would say at least 80% of cricket supporters around the world would support WI as their 2nd team (myself included.)

 

[Jono]

Well, Stuart Broad got hit for six sixes by Yuvraj a few years back and I'd say he's a better bowler now than he was before that incident (not that that incident was the cause for the improvement)..

Oi bloke...

In all seriousness, Broad came back in a big way. Obviously Stokes can.


But for now, its hilarious.

 

[91Jmay]

Two New Zealand radio hosts have been suspended after broadcasting a private conversation with England cricketer Ben Stokes' mother despite telling her it was off air. Radio Hauraki hosts Matt Heath and Jeremy Wells took aim at Ben Stokes after he was hit for four consecutive sixes in the final over of the T20 World Cup Final as the West Indies came back from the dead to win. Friends and family of Ben Stokes' mother informed her of the nasty comments, and so she called the radio station to complain.
The station believed Mrs Stokes was calling about an unrelated segment, and put her live on air.


EDITED TRANSCRIPT:



Deborah: I wanted to speak to somebody off air please.



Matt: You wanted to speak to somebody off air?



Deborah: Yes



Matt: OK. You’re off air.



Deborah: OK, that’s fine. Look, I’m just ringing in regards to the program that’s on air, I think it’s Matt and Jeremy? I just wanted to basically I guess put forward my thoughts in regards to the way they have bagged the English cricketer Ben Stokes this morning.



Matt: Yes



Deborah: When they have never met him, they don’t know him and maybe if they had tempered the inappropriate remarks and name calling with some quotes of some supportive tweets he’s received from some very well-known cricketers and just your ordinary Joe Bloggs cricket supporters, maybe ...



Matt: Could you slow down a bit, I’m writing this complaint down. I’ve got to get it through to Matt and Jeremy. OK cool.



Deborah: I don’t know whether they realise he was actually born and bred in New Zealand and quite frankly has family all over the country. And for those who listen to your station, for them to sit and listen to their cousin and their grandson being bagged like that is absolutely unconscionable and I’m his mother and I’m totally brassed off.



Matt: You’re brassed off are you?



Deborah: Oh yes I am brassed off.



Matt: Well he’s a great cricket player, he’s amazing.



Deborah: Are you being smart here?



Matt: He’s an amazing cricket player. He’s incredible. He does our country proud and geez we’d love to have him playing for New Zealand. He’s an amazing, amazing cricket player. Incredible.



Deborah: I get that, but what I’m saying is, for my family — and a lot of my family have rung me and said ‘have you heard this, Deb?’ — I’m just really disappointed. Say those things and then temper it with some positives. Have a look on Twitter, see the likes of Kevin Pietersen, Tino Best, Graham Onions — all of those people giving him their support because they know that tomorrow is another day.



Matt: You’re a lovely woman Debs and thanks for call and we’ll make sure that gets righted on the show. You have a great day.






https://nz.sports.yahoo.com/cricket...20-ben-stokes-mother-new-zealand-radio-hosts/

Tricking a women defending her son for laughs on your lame radio show. All class those two. Imagine bagging a bloke so publicly who had still achieved more in that failure of an over than you have in your entire lives. I ****ing hate 'shock jock' DJs.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Actually, Eating Media Lunch is better than anything Ben Stokes will ever do.

 

[sledger]

Pretty dire.

 

[Jono]

That's awful really.

Ben Stokes' mum dropping Tino Best's name though, great moment. Everyone loves Tino.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

wow these guys...

 

[harsh.ag]

wow these guys...

Haha this is quite something. Tbf this is the kind of thing that maybe Stokes ought to do to get over the blues.

 

[G.I.Joe]

I know this will not be a popular post, but that's not important.

I first want to say that I don't hold what Mark Nicholas wrote against him. He has offered a well written and I assume heartfelt apology and that should be the end of the matter from his perspective.

But these not so subtle insensitive jabs, made by persons who have no idea what it's like to black in a still very racist world. Racism still exists (just look at the US Republican front runner) and it's not funny or amusing.

While.neither is particularly charitable or sporting, there is a difference between labeling an individual not the shapes to tool in the shed (and again, definitely not condoning that charge either) and calling an entire team brainless.

We are a race that is still seen in some quarters as inferior and are reminded of same by these segments at every possible opportunity. If you have not experienced it, please don't comment on it.


Yes, some of Sammy's comments could have been better timed, but so have some of the comments here.

Quite frankly it has been quite disappointing and a little sad.

You're too condescending, kyear. Do you honestly think people are so short on brains that they cannot form a valid opinion on this saga that might not gel with yours, and that such opinion could be formed in the context of racial relations and interactions that are frankly common knowledge?

 

[Black_Warrior]

Well, Stuart Broad got hit for six sixes by Yuvraj a few years back and I'd say he's a better bowler now than he was before that incident (not that that incident was the cause for the improvement).

You need to have a fair bit of self belief to even get to the level these blokes play at. Sometimes that's just the game - you have your great highs and very deep lows. That's sport. I'd be surprised if Stokes was permanently scarred by what happened in terms of his future performances, but you just never know for sure.

The key here is the perception of LO cricket in England as opposed to popularity. I think a wrong choice of words was made and then the discussion veered towards attendance figures at T20 games.

I don't believe LO cricket and more importantly, LO credentials are given much precedence in England. This has nothing to do with how many people showed up for a T20 game on a Saturday. So that's why, being hit for 6 sixes had little to no bearing on how Broad ultimately developed as a match winning test bowler. Mind you Broad is still a pretty average LO bowler though.And I think that could very much be the case for Stokes, like a lot of English cricketers. He could very well develop like Broad, and become a quality test allrounder..and remain average in LO cricket. And hence in the long run, I don't believe this game will have much of a bearing on his career.

I know this will not be a popular post, but that's not important.

I first want to say that I don't hold what Mark Nicholas wrote against him. He has offered a well written and I assume heartfelt apology and that should be the end of the matter from his perspective.

But these not so subtle insensitive jabs, made by persons who have no idea what it's like to black in a still very racist world. Racism still exists (just look at the US Republican front runner) and it's not funny or amusing.

While.neither is particularly charitable or sporting, there is a difference between labeling an individual not the shapes to tool in the shed (and again, definitely not condoning that charge either) and calling an entire team brainless.

We are a race that is still seen in some quarters as inferior and are reminded of same by these segments at every possible opportunity. If you have not experienced it, please don't comment on it.


Yes, some of Sammy's comments could have been better timed, but so have some of the comments here.

Quite frankly it has been quite disappointing and a little sad.

I have received a fair amount of racism throughout my life so I hope I can comment on this. The conversation isn't really about whether racism exists or not, although it has become about that. The issue is that an ignorant analysis of WI cricket by a commentator/analyst who barely watches them play became more than what it actually is. Nicholas did not say those things because he was racist. He said those things because the last time he had seen WI play was in Australia in December 2015 and he doesn't 1) know enough about WI cricket and 2) can't be bothered to read up, research and find out about it to know the myriad issues at present and how the T20 team that showed up was completely different.

This is what Nicholas should have been called out for, his lack of research, insight, knowledge of the teams beyond India, Australia and England.

So, in short, yes racism absolutely 100% exists. But that does not mean every dumb, ignorant statement about WI cricket is a result of racism. And if it is incorrectly called racism, it should still be called out.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Can he come back after this the guy looked distraught at the end of that game when he never really done much wrong it just braithwate a world class hitter of ball.

I'm sure this has been said already but to find out would mean reading the thread. He did everything wrong.

 

[slippy888]

Alan Mullally

Think this guy was a very good bowler, it just seems cricket politics cut his international career short by 4 years at least.

 

[slippy888]

Mitchell McClenaghan

Do you guys think the New Zealand cricket board have treated this man unfairly they basically labelled the man has a one day and 20 20 player only and he is not fit enough to wear the New Zealand test shirt is what they think.

 

[honestbharani]

From his IPL exploits, I feel he has more heart than Wagner, tbh..

 

[Howe_zat]

Good bloke who doesn't take **** from CWers. Should play more.

 

[Prince EWS]

Even fitness aside, domestically he's always been a much stronger bowler in limited overs games than four dayers. He's just not as good as the players selected ahead of him in this format.

 

[slippy888]

Rohit Sharma

Is he indias Graeme Hick in test cricket the guy has the talent but he cant see to be able the handle the grind of playing 5 days in a test match.

 

[Bijed]

There certainly seems to be a similar drop-off from FC to test output from both of them. However (and this may be wildly off the mark as I don't closely follow India test cricket and am too young to have followed Hick's test career), but Rohit has a reputation for chucking his wicket away whereas Hick was just not really up to it in general at test level?

Off topic a bit, but I've always felt that Hick is a little hard done by in that he is put forward as the epitome of not stepping up to the big stage, when Mark Ramprakash was around at the same time and was more disappointing, at least statistically (not that Ramps doesn't get criticised for it too). Hard done by may not be the best way of putting it as the criticism is still accurate, of course, and I doubt whether many cricketers would be too concerned about whether the flak they take on cricket forums is proportionate or not

 

[SeamUp]

I see many similarities between the two because they got all the shots in the book & make them look easy but they seemed to find a way to have a brain fade.

Hick was a very good cricketer and a delight to watch when batting well but was one of those players who mentally just couldn't deal with that step up I felt. It shows you what respect we should have for those that do.