**Official* IPL 2016

[TheJediBrah]

It's pretty hard to argue against him being the best right now, and for T20Is his record speaks for itself

 

[honestbharani]

I saw the supposedly international quality bowling attack of Steyn, Abbott and Rabada bowl more trash in those 20 overs against England than any of the "pop gun" attacks in the IPL.

That is beside the point though. STeyn, Abbott and Rabada have more chances of bowling better any day of the week compared to RP Singh, Perera, Bhatia and Dinda. I do not follow other T20 leagues at all, so I have NFI which attacks are better there but at least with the IPL, the international bowling attacks are far better simply because of how "good" Indian bowlers, esp. seamers, are and the 7-4 rule. I will say most of the top 8, even top 10, teams bowling attacks during the WT20 were comfortably better than all IPL bowling units.

 

[viriya]

It's pretty hard to argue against him being the best right now, and for T20Is his record speaks for itself

best right now is obvious. the claim was goat tho.

 

[TheJediBrah]

He's been around long enough for a claim of T20I goat to be very fair.

If you're talking T20s in general, that's a very difficult one to analyse or quantify IMO

 

[viriya]

He's been around long enough for a claim of T20I goat to be very fair.

If you're talking T20s in general, that's a very difficult one to analyse or quantify IMO

This whole thing started cos GIJoe claimed he was outright T20 GOAT. Him being T20I GOAT is pretty obvious but it's pretty pointless to talk GOAT in a format where the top guy has played all of 40 innings.

 

[91Jmay]

Gi Joe not making much sense here. Some of the attacks in the IPL have been very good over the years, better than a lot of T20I attacks. In fact, the general quality of play in the IPL has always been higher than in the T20I scene.

That is nonsense. The myth that the IPL is the absolute best international cricketers + best Indian cricketers is patently garbage. England's best players are better than the majority of the overseas players, and a few of Pakistan's players would be but because of the seasons clashing/politics they don't get in. That is not to mention the fact that lots of better international players (mainly batsmen) don't get a game because of the overseas player cap. IPL is some great T20i players, some decent overseas players and then some filler guys who would be 3rd team for their countries at best.

IPL has blokes like Henriques, Behardien, Coulter-Nile, Bopara, Ben Cutting, Marchant de Lange, Brad Hogg, David Wiese.

These aren't the creme of the crop of international cricket. There is a mix of overseas players in the IPL, the absolute world's best + middling players who are free for the whole tournament.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Calm your **** and consider my point that the length of the IPL genuinely affords the bowlers to properly understand their roles within their attacks and become a better unit.

Its the whole reason why I said that t20 attacks are better on paper, while in practice I do believe most ipl attacks bowl better. If you disagree with that, then fine. But don't just list off names because that's not what I'm talking about.

 

[91Jmay]

I considered your point, and it is ****. Sort of like arguing that a county championship attack is better than a test match attack because they bowl together more often.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I considered your point, and it is ****. Sort of like arguing that a county championship attack is better than a test match attack because they bowl together more often.

Not buying that comparison. The gap in standard in test and county bowlers is so massive compared to T20Is vs franchise t20. It's a disingenuous comparison.

 

[91Jmay]

Not as big as you are making out. A fully fit Yorkshire's fast bowling attack is better than a few Test attacks.Durham fully fit is probably better than a few as well.

 

[Gnske]

Calm your **** and consider my point that the length of the IPL genuinely affords the bowlers to properly understand their roles within their attacks and become a better unit.

Doubt about this, would make for an interesting quantitative analysis and comparison with other T20 competitions and how bowlers/bowling attacks perform over time (or same bowlers in different competitions, albeit differing conditions change the dynamic).

 

[TheJediBrah]

It becomes a fair point when you also consider that T20Is are almost always a bunch of guys coming together to randomly play games they don't care about and often who hardly play T20s anyway.

 

[Daemon]

It's not always that far off from ODI teams, who are playing together quite a lot, but yeah there's probably very minimal preparation that goes into a T20I series and there's always a couple of T20 specialists who get shoved in.

 

[91Jmay]

Right, but lots of the international IPL players also don't really care that much. Steyn even said so.

I do love the IPL, great fun to watch and it is the best T20 tournament in the world. Just think the whole argument is a tad disingenuous that because they play together more often they'd win. Is it an argument you'd use against a world XI then?

 

[TheJediBrah]

Right, but lots of the international IPL players also don't really care that much. Steyn even said so.

I do love the IPL, great fun to watch and it is the best T20 tournament in the world. Just think the whole argument is a tad disingenuous that because they play together more often they'd win. Is it an argument you'd use against a world XI then?

Well, yes, and has been made often. It's pretty widely accepted in fact.

 

[Kirkut]

Calm your **** and consider my point that the length of the IPL genuinely affords the bowlers to properly understand their roles within their attacks and become a better unit.

Its the whole reason why I said that t20 attacks are better on paper, while in practice I do believe most ipl attacks bowl better. If you disagree with that, then fine. But don't just list off names because that's not what I'm talking about.

Not to forget the possible pressure from franchise owners, with big money comes big responsibilities.

 

[91Jmay]

If a World XI played together as much as most T20i teams play T20i cricket they'd beat any IPL team over a 5/10 game series.

Infact, with T20 the impact of one player (batsmen) is so great that the IPL team wouldn't really stand a chance. Although RCB would have basically the World XI's top 3, the gulf in bowling quality would be crazy.

 

[TheJediBrah]

If a World XI played together as much as most T20i teams play T20i cricket they'd beat any IPL team over a 5/10 game series.

Infact, with T20 the impact of one player (batsmen) is so great that the IPL team wouldn't really stand a chance. Although RCB would have basically the World XI's top 3, the gulf in bowling quality would be crazy.

That's not really relevant. In any way.

 

[91Jmay]

Gayle
Kohli
Warner
AB
Maxwell
Buttler
Russell
Afridi
Starc
Badree
Malinga

Play a 5 game series starting tomorrow that team beats any IPL side (clone the players where necessary) when all are fit.

 

[Stapel]

In fact, the general quality of play in the IPL has always been higher than in the T20I scene.

Allow me to be the so-manieth to disagree. Perhaps there are higher highs. And even if so, they are massively wiped out by the lower lows.