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***Official*** Australia in New Zealand 2016

TheJediBrah

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Will pay out that example,

However the point stands that other teams shouldn't agree to have beers with the Aussies. IMHO.
I'm not saying they should. It would be bizarre and hypocritical for the Aussies to behave their natural way and yet not respect the oppositions cultural tendency to not have beers after the game with people who abused them for 8 hours lol
 

jonbrooks

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http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2016/feb/23/new-zealand-brendon-mccullum-final-game-Australia

Why has the English media got such a hard-on for McCullum?

"the finest captain of this and perhaps any generation...."

WTF:sick:
Agreed. The best captains are the ones that lead by example and if McCullum's examples are to be followed then NZ cricket would be in really deep **** now. Fortunately we've had some wise heads along the way to steady the ship when McCullum was at his golden duck best.
 

TheJediBrah

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I genuinely don't think your culture is quite as ****-up as you're trying to imply with that comment. We know Aussies can be brash, but you're taking it to the extreme claiming "who the *** is the 3rd ump" is polite.
I've seen best mates call each other fat ugly ****s and abuse the **** out of each other and their wives on the field then be perfectly fine after the game.

I still remember being confused as **** when as a kid in one of my early senior games when the 6'7" 140kg fast bowler who was abusing me for hours and genuinely had me fearing for my life came up to me right after the game congratulating me and acting as though he was my best mate
 

Hurricane

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I'm not saying they should. It would be bizarre and hypocritical for the Aussies to behave their natural way and yet not respect the oppositions cultural tendency to not have beers after the game with people who abused them for 8 hours lol
Haha endearing post.
 

cnerd123

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Man 6 pages of discussion only to learn that the Aussies are hypocritical ****s and the Kiwaahs don't like them. What else is new?

Atleast there was some masterful ****posting from TNT. Jord could stand to learn a lot from him.
 

Zinzan

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I've seen best mates call each other fat ugly ****s and abuse the **** out of each other and their wives on the field then be perfectly fine after the game.

I still remember being confused as **** when as a kid in one of my early senior games when the 6'7" 140kg fast bowler who was abusing me for hours and genuinely had me fearing for my life came up to me right after the game congratulating me and acting as though he was my best mate
Ridiculous, of course we do that with good mates. The better the mate, the worse we abuse & rib each other with the most disgusting language we can think of... that's not an Australian thing, that's universal everywhere in the western world. Are you now implying Haze and the 3rd ump are best mates?
 

wellAlbidarned

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I've seen best mates call each other fat ugly ****s and abuse the **** out of each other and their wives on the field then be perfectly fine after the game.

I still remember being confused as **** when as a kid in one of my early senior games when the 6'7" 140kg fast bowler who was abusing me for hours and genuinely had me fearing for my life came up to me right after the game congratulating me and acting as though he was my best mate
If the line exists it stands firmly between players and officials. You want to call the batsmen a ****ing massive *** * * * ** * * ******* apple **** ** neanderthal ****? then go ahead. But when you're dealing with umpires and officials how hard is it to wash your mouth out?
 

OverratedSanity

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Ridiculous, of course we do that with good mates. The better the mate, the worse we abuse & rib each other with the most disgusting language we can think of... that's not an Australian thing, that's universal everywhere in the western world. Are you now implying Haze and the 3rd ump are best mates?
Yeah not just the western world, it's everywhere. Here, it's rare to find best friends who don't abuse each other to death.
 

TheJediBrah

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Ridiculous, of course we do that with good mates. The better the mate, the worse we abuse & rib each other with the most disgusting language we can think of... that's not an Australian thing, that's universal everywhere in the western world. Are you now implying Haze and the 3rd ump are best mates?
Not sure if srs

I've seen it with best mates, casual acquaintances, people who've never met. It was just an example, which I'm sure you knew.

Just seems like you're trolling now, which while a classic response to "the point I was making has been proven wrong how do I save face", is still tiresome tbh
 

Zinzan

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Not sure if srs

I've seen it with best mates, casual acquaintances, people who've never met. It was just an example, which I'm sure you knew.

Just seems like you're trolling now, which while a classic response to "the point I was making has been proven wrong how do I save face", is still tiresome tbh
Haha, suggesting that screaming out 'Who the f*** is the third umpire? is polite is beyond tiresome and I've no idea why I'm even bothering debating it as if it's even worthy of further discussion. We're done on this one.
 

Flem274*

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you see this debate wouldn't be a thing if kane had sidetracked hazlewood and smith by asking them how it feels to be worse at reviewing than southee and mccullum?

then the australiwahhhs would have just tried to bomb him with harmless bouncers rather than reverse swing because #macho.
 

TheJediBrah

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Haha, suggesting that screaming out 'Who the f*** is the third umpire? is polite is beyond tiresome and I've no idea why I'm even bothering debating it as if it's even worthy of further discussion. We're done on this one.
You can't be serious.

tbf, in Australian, "who's the ****ing third umpire" basically just translates into "Hmm I wonder who the officiating video umpire is, sure he's a solid chap, interesting decision I do say" in plain English


"who's the ****ing third umpire" is actually equivalent to some of the most polite things you'd hear on a local Australian cricket field
If you think this post ^ was in any way serious then you need to seriously get your joke/sarcasm detector checked. Honestly don't know how more obvious it could be.

I even said this right after:

Come on TNT, he was obviously having a go at the umpire
 

Fuller Pilch

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Superb article from Chris Rattue. It won't please the fanboi's and apologists who are gearing up for a no-doubt riveting 'NZ vs Zimbabwe 2016' tour thread but Rattue is right on the money.

Chris Rattue: Aussie smokescreen fails to paper over the Black Caps' cracks - Sport - NZ Herald News

How convenient. A couple of Aussies lose the plot and, hey presto, it's a handy smokescreen for a dire New Zealand performance over five tests against Australia.

I'm p@##$% off all right, but not at bad-mannered Josh Hazlewood or Steve Smith. The Black Caps were a test disaster, and maybe even distracted by the Brendon McCullum celebrity tour.

Sure, the Aussies take their competitive attitude too far sometimes, but a lot of our blokes haven't taken it far enough.

A potentially great cricket test series, which could have been a landmark, turned into a dud. McCullum is a great Kiwi sports character, but save all the pats on the back until after the series. There was a job to be done, a contest to get into, and New Zealand failed miserably.

The vital combo of attitude, planning and skill was woefully short of the mark. Neil Wagner's second test onslaught was a belated signpost to his teammates, although I'm not sure his short-ball methods will bring sustained test success and it was an ugly, hamfisted way to go about the game, quite frankly.



But his heart and stamina were admirable and there is a skill, of sorts, to what he does. Others, well, not so much. The vaunted new ball attack of Tim Southee and Trent Boult was rubbish. The spin bowling situation is embarrassing. Some batsmen, led by the captain, simply took a punt.

For three big test series, against England once and Australia twice, New Zealand have failed to hit the ground running. McCullum's addiction to slogging and Southee's social league attitude to batting are roll-the-dice methods that don't work. The second innings dismissal of Martin Guptill in Wellington epitomised the problems. Rather than riding out on white charger, McCullum is actually leaving a test mess.

Yes, the lure of Indian T20 money has had an effect and, yes, it has been a long year for some of the players since the World Cup. But if you can't get off the floor to give it everything against Australia, something is amiss. McCullum and coach Mike Hesson's side has been disjointed and looked poorly prepared.

As for the Aussies, they step over the line of acceptable behaviour and need to take stock. But that is nowhere near as annoying as the McCullum-led move to position New Zealand as cricket behaviour-saviours if it leads to the surrender we've just witnessed.

Australia's relentless drive for victory is a huge part of what makes world cricket tick. I love watching them play, and they have been brilliant in this series.

Usman Khawaja is a joy to watch, a lazy-looking left-hander who evokes the great David Gower. The Adam Voges phenomenon is a story in itself. Their fast bowlers were superbly skilled, and one James Pattinson over to Guptill will live long in the memory.

Australia are No 1 and New Zealand a long, long way from that.
The same Chris Rattue who wrote that also wrote this 3 weeks ago:


Warning: this column will tempt fate. But you can almost smell the fear coming out of Australian cricket after they were crushed at Eden Park.

The tourists have found themselves in a lion's den, and they don't have many big rocks to throw at the beast.

Their media and former players like Michael Slater are turning the spotlight on selections (particularly the non-selection of Usman Khawaja at Eden Park) and the selectors (particularly head Rod Marsh).

New Zealand's mammoth one day victory against the mighty foe makes it very tempting to gloat. So let's gloat. Brendon McCullum's cricket revolution spat Australia with close to disdain.

I say that with all due respect to Australia, the finest of cricket nations. The gloating only comes because Australia has been so amazingly good for such an amazingly long time, and they've dished out so many beatings.

But they are operating on thin resources right now, they have a relatively inexperienced captain, their bullish coach Darren Lehmann is stranded at home for health reasons, and in a crazy turnaround it is the Kiwis who have the scary fast bowlers.

Australian cricket teams don't lie down, but this might be shaping as the worst team they've sent here. Turn a few screws, and it could turn to disarray.

In contrast, McCullum's mob appears so high on confidence that they can charge into the cauldron even without leading lights Ross Taylor and Tim Southee.

The remaining one dayers on Saturday and Monday are important in themselves, but they are further chances to demoralise Australia before the test series.

Is this treading dangerously considering it's Australia we are talking about? Never. The demolition job at Eden Park is something to be wildly celebrated. We've had so many dark days against Australia that a win like that deserves fireworks.

And Steve Smith is facing a potential firestorm. New Zealand cricket teams can get away with sub-par performances, but the world caves in on Australian sides who don't live up to a glorious past.

Smith's rise to the Aussie captaincy and status as one of the best batsmen in the game has been somewhat surprising. That tells a story, because he doesn't have a lot of experience to turn to, and certainly not in the class of previous Australian teams.

Now is the time for New Zealand to put a foot on the throat in the one dayers, and hopefully in front of packed houses at Wellington and Hamilton.

It feels as if New Zealand is consistently punching above its weight like never before, despite relative disappointments such as last year's tour of England. These players can write their names loud in history, by landing knockout blows in the test arena. Hopefully, Taylor will make it back from injury in time for that.

Chris Rattue: You can smell the Aussie fear - Sport - NZ Herald News

It is easy to be wise after the event.
 

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