Adam Voges average watch

[Bijed]

For what it's worth, my opinion is that Voges 'deserves' his average (which isn't a concept I particularly agree with tbh). I realise that I'm just covering old ground here, but the point about the not-outs doesn't hold much sway with me as, as has been said above, the fact that he was undismissed is a positive reflection of his ability. I feel that the argument would have more merit if his average had been 'inflated' by, say, a series of declarations when he was on 20-40 or something like that. The point about the quality of the bowling attacks is a better one, I feel, but even then he scored significantly higher than everyone else. Obviously, he has had some luck (i.e the no-ball incident), but equally I don't think it can be said that he went on to make 239 out of luck alone, only that he was lucky to be given the chance to do so.

Now, I don't think he will finish his test career with his average as high as it is now (I personally think it'll finish up at 79.xx but that's pretty much a total guess).

 

[mr_mister]

It's strange to think but yes Adam Voges is more likely than not to finish with the second highest test batting average of all time

 

[Adders]

Has he ever made mention of how long he sees himself going for? Thats going to be the major factor in where his average ends up.

Being such a late starter to test cricket he may well have the drive and desire to play into his 40's in which case the average will more than likely come back to the pack. If he pulls the pin in the next 18 months or so then yeah, it will stay up in god like status.

 

[Red]

You're suggesting that the performance of Voges should be taken for face value and ultimately that he should be considered the best since Bradman the moment his arbitrary 20th test match is completed.

Who (in this forum) has suggested that Voges should be considered the best since Bradman?

 

[Red]

Has he ever made mention of how long he sees himself going for? Thats going to be the major factor in where his average ends up.

Being such a late starter to test cricket he may well have the drive and desire to play into his 40's in which case the average will more than likely come back to the pack. If he pulls the pin in the next 18 months or so then yeah, it will stay up in god like status.

He seems fit and durable. The kind of guy who wouldn't get injured. If his eyes hold up, I can't see why he wouldn't go for another couple of years.

 

[Daemon]

Rogers
Katich
Voges
Hodge (sorry)
Clarke
Hussey

for the next test imo

 

[Red]

Rogers
Katich
Voges
Hodge (sorry)
Clarke
Hussey

for the next test imo

Yes but

Rogers
Katich
Hodge
Voges
Clarke
Hussey

 

[Daemon]

I'm sorry but Bradman batted 3 and so will Voges

 

[TheJediBrah]

Rogers
Katich
Voges
Hodge (sorry)
Clarke
Hussey

for the next test imo

would probably dominate tbh (except Clarke)

 

[aussie tragic]

2nd Test is set up nicely for Voges to break Bradman's record for best average after 21 innings, which is 94.45

With Aust 1-70 chasing 201, Voges needs any not out score to break the record (Voges averages 94.78 before his 21st Innings)

 

[aussie tragic]

Picked it, with Voges 10*, he now holds the world record for best average after 21 innings (95.50)... who was this Bradman hack

On another note, Smith starting to challenge 3rd on the averages list with him currently 60.18

 

[Victor Ian]

Australia on the verge of having the top 5 all average over 50. Burns and Khawaja just shy. It's probably difficult for anyone to show if this has ever happened in test cricket at the time of the innings, but I wonder if any team has ever had it's top 5 all average 50+ simply looking at the end of career averages. This might be the best ever top 5 based on averages alone.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

This cricinfo stats article does a good job showing how rare this streak of form is, for the Australian top and for Voges in particular: Stats analysis: Runs and records for Australia's top five | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

The section on Voges season average:

161.50 Adam Voges' average in the 2015-16 season, scoring 969 runs in 11 innings with four centuries. It is the third-highest average for a batsman scoring 500 or more in a season. The top two averages are both by Don Bradman: 201.50 in 1931-32 and 178.75 in 1947-48

 

[Red]

Australia on the verge of having the top 5 all average over 50. Burns and Khawaja just shy. It's probably difficult for anyone to show if this has ever happened in test cricket at the time of the innings, but I wonder if any team has ever had it's top 5 all average 50+ simply looking at the end of career averages. This might be the best ever top 5 based on averages alone.

Which is kind of weird in itself because I don't think this top 5 is as good as say, Hayden/Langer/Ponting/Martyn/Waugh, but there you go.

 

[Tom Flint]

Everyone missing the fact that Bradmans career lasted 20 years and he only played 52 tests because they played fewer matches in those days and his career was also interrupted by the war. This proves he kept his form up for a period of 2 decades whilst also averaging 95 in first class cricket throughout the same time
Voges has been brilliant but he is in a freak period of great form where he doesn't seem to be getting out, however he has only managed an average of 48 in first class which has to be considered the bulk of career. No-one is denying how great voges has been and I doubt if his form will dip dramatically before he retires but the question remains if he is that good why was he not making serious runs before roughly 2014

 

[andruid]

I think not. The Bradman comparisons are clearly somewhat humor driven

 

[Senile Sentry]

Home matches and dire opposition maketh even Voges Bradman.

 

[Adders]

Australia on the verge of having the top 5 all average over 50. Burns and Khawaja just shy. It's probably difficult for anyone to show if this has ever happened in test cricket at the time of the innings, but I wonder if any team has ever had it's top 5 all average 50+ simply looking at the end of career averages. This might be the best ever top 5 based on averages alone.

Pretty sure India nearly did circa 2010.

Gambhir
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
VVS

Around that time only Laxman didn't have a 50+ average and he was high 40's.

 

[Senile Sentry]

Australia on the verge of having the top 5 all average over 50. Burns and Khawaja just shy. It's probably difficult for anyone to show if this has ever happened in test cricket at the time of the innings, but I wonder if any team has ever had it's top 5 all average 50+ simply looking at the end of career averages. This might be the best ever top 5 based on averages alone.

Pretty sure India nearly did circa 2010.

Gambhir
Sehwag
Dravid
Sachin
VVS

Around that time only Laxman didn't have a 50+ average and he was high 40's.

Close.

2nd Test: Bangladesh v India at Dhaka, Jan 24-27, 2010 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

Going into this match, all of the top 5 Indian batsmen were averaging over 50:

Gambhir
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Vijay (all of two matches old then!)

 

[Captain_Cook]

Australia on the verge of having the top 5 all average over 50.

Makes me want to cry given I thought that line-up was one of Australia's weakest ever. Why can't England have nice things? The three lions have mustered a single batsman with a 50+ average (Root) since 1970. Australia in the same period have had 8 batsmen.