Adam Voges average watch

[the big bambino]

That he was. Personally loved watching Vishy.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Also if you're coming in at 4/400 on a regular basis, it is significantly easier to make runs. I mean, the case in point there is Eoin Morgan's ton vs. India in 2011. Comes in at 3/374 and makes one of the most facile hundreds in Test history (I believe those are the exact words Spark uses to describe it).

Obviously you still have to make the runs, and kudos to Voges for doing that, but I don't think anybody -- even TJB -- would argue that Voges has made tough runs in achieving those figures. He did with his couple of 50s in England, but there have certainly been a lot of facile, cashing-in innings against tired, demoralised attacks.

Still skill and value in that, obvs. I mean, after Morgan was dismissed (4/596), Ravi Bopara goes and gets himself out lbw for 7.

how often has Voges actually come in at 4/200+ though, let alone 4/400? I'd be surprised if it was more than 2 or 3 times.

bit of a "myth" imo

 

[Spark]

how often has Voges actually come in at 4/200+ though, let alone 4/400? I'd be surprised if it was more than 2 or 3 times.

bit of a "myth" imo

Lord's and the MCG are the two circumstances that come to mind.

 

[Daemon]

I still rate his debut as his best, though I'll admit I only saw highlights of some of the others.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Had a look at it just out of interest, the scores when Voges came in for his 100s:

3/61
2/46
2/104
3/328 (MCG v WI)
3/131

so the game has been in the balance in pretty much all innings except MCG.

 

[Nate]

Had a look at it just out of interest, the scores when Voges came in for his 100s:

3/61
2/46
2/104
3/328 (MCG v WI)
3/131

so the game has been in the balance in pretty much all innings except MCG.

But how did Voges perform in the innings where he didn't score highly?

 

[Dan]

83* from 3/399 at Brisbane, too.

 

[Athlai]

83* from 3/399 at Brisbane, too.

What a hack

 

[TheJediBrah]

83* from 3/399 at Brisbane, too.

but when you think about the point that was being made, ie. his performances/averages have been helped by when he's been coming in, I don't think that's being shown at all.

He's just as likely to get stranded not out and cost himself runs or throw a wicket away going for a declaration coming in at 3/300 than if you were 3/80. And while I can definitely imagine it being "easier to bat" coming in at 3/300 I don't think it's really better for a player's average at all.

But how did Voges perform in the innings where he didn't score highly?

probably didn't score highly

 

[Nate]

probably didn't score highly

Stunning.

 

[cnerd123]

The conversation has become so reasonable and intelligent and mature now.

Yawn

 

[mr_mister]

I've just been looking at the Don's innings by innings list to see if I could find a patch that beat Sangas and I couldn't. Though he did score about 2300 runs across 19 innings @ 136 with only 2 not outs from 1930-1933. Remarkable patch.


Also, I never knew he scored 173* in his second last innings. If it wasn't for that he would have had a much taller task in front of him to reach the overall average of 100, instead he goes down in history as failing when he only needed 4 runs to get there and looking like a bit of a muppet

 

[TheJediBrah]

I've just been looking at the Don's innings by innings list to see if I could find a patch that beat Sangas and I couldn't. Though he did score about 2300 runs across 19 innings @ 136 with only 2 not outs from 1930-1933. Remarkable patch.


Also, I never knew he scored 173* in his second last innings. If it wasn't for that he would have had a much taller task in front of him to reach the overall average of 100, instead he goes down in history as failing when he only needed 4 runs to get there and looking like a bit of a muppet

yeah he was ****

 

[mr_mister]

he actually had quite a lot of single digit scores directly before and after scoring tons though strangely enough

 

[indiaholic]

That seems to tie in nicely with the form is a myth correlation analysis that was done on this forum.

 

[AndrewB]

I've just been looking at the Don's innings by innings list to see if I could find a patch that beat Sangas and I couldn't. Though he did score about 2300 runs across 19 innings @ 136 with only 2 not outs from 1930-1933. Remarkable patch.

I think his best average while scoring 1000+ was 156.43 in 1937-8 (270, 26, 212, 169, 51, 144*, 18, 102*, 103).
Sobers had a run where he averaged 185.85 (365*, 125, 109*, 14, 27, 25, 142*, 4, 198, 106*).
Kallis also had a run averaging over 150 (158, 44, 177, 73, 130*, 130*, 92, 150*, 40, 71)

 

[mr_mister]

Some interesting ODI ones:


Notoriously hard to dismiss Michael Bevan hit 694 runs @ 99.1 across 19 innings from Sep '94 to Jan '96, what a start to a career.


Lance Klusener at the peak of his powers scored 983 runs @ 89.6 across 30 innings from May '98 to Feb '00

And the famous underachieving-on-the-international stage Graeme Hick once scored 721 runs @ 65.5 across 15 innings from Jan '99 to May '99, by far his best ever form on the world stage.


Klusener had 19 not-outs and Bevan 12 in these little patches, but I can't really hold that against them. They came in late (6,7) and didn't have as much time to score runs anyway so it's impressive that Klusner nearly reached 1000 in this golden patch. Hick had far less not outs, batting @ number 3 for his peak period.

 

[aussie tragic]

Bradman scoring 2262 runs averaging 150.80

131, 254, 1, 334*, 14, 232, 4, 25, 223, 152, 43, 0, 226, 112, 2, 167, 299*

 

[AndrewB]

Bradman scoring 2262 runs averaging 150.80

131, 254, 1, 334*, 14, 232, 4, 25, 223, 152, 43, 0, 226, 112, 2, 167, 299*

Nit-picking a bit here, but the 334 wasn't a not-out, and that's 2219 runs, so his average there was "only" 138.69.

Top averages while scoring 2000+ seem to be
Bradman 139.20 (as above, but dropping the 131)
Sangakkara 107.37
Mohammad Yousuf 105.84
Sobers 99.91

 

[cnerd123]

101.38