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***Official*** England in South Africa 2015/16

Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
LegionOfBrad said:
True. However if one more wicket goes down the target then goes out of reach. So it would have been a tough ask.
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Nah, it doesn't actually matter if you lose wickets after the rain delay. After it sets you a new target, that's your target.

If they rain came when it did but didn't stay long and the chase was rescheduled to 43 overs (so, another 9.3) then SA would've won if they finished on 372/9. If it didn't rain at all until after 43 overs and they found themselves at 372/9 they would've lost, though. Different things.
 
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LegionOfBrad

LegionOfBrad

International Debutant
Prince EWS said:
Nah, it doesn't actually matter if you lose wickets after the rain delay. After it sets you a new target, that's your target.

If they rain came when it did but didn't stay long and the chase was rescheduled to 43 overs (so, another 9.3) then SA would've won if they finished on 372/9. If it didn't rain at all until after 43 overs and they found themselves at 372/9 they would've lost, though. Different things.
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Good point. Senior moment there.
 
kykweer.proteas

kykweer.proteas

International Debutant
Well if we went out needing 121 of 9.3 it wont be adjusted unless there is another break in play. So if we lost a wicket first ball we would still need 121 of 9.2.

Or do i have this wrong?
 
Rasimione

Rasimione

U19 Captain
What's happened to De Lange? He was bowling rubbish of the worst kind. Ever since that back injury he's never been the same again.
 
StephenZA

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Rasimione said:
What's happened to De Lange? He was bowling rubbish of the worst kind. Ever since that back injury he's never been the same again.
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After he injured his back they had to adjust his bowling action, which was making him injury prone, and he has never quite had the same pace or accuracy... not that he was ever the most accurate. Unfortunately I think he is going to be one of those bowlers who will do well at domestic level but not great at international..... I hope I am proved wrong though.
 
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Stefan9

International Debutant
stphndbsn said:
While I understand your sentiments D/L is for me still the best method. It can always be improved but it is still the best.

For me the problem with rain day is that it has the same effect as D/L (in big scheme of things), if you continue from where you were in the match the batsmen's eye may no longer be in, the bowler may not be as accurate the pitch could alter a bit... and all this does is bring in the exact same arguments. "Oh, well if it had not rained then batsmen x would have kept going and had the initiative... bowler y was bowling really well and did not do as well next morning" etc etc. And playing a whole new match is exactly that and not fair on the team that was ahead in the game... So ultimately rain days do not help in ODI cricket (unless the game never started).

Test cricket is a whole other matter though....
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My issue with d/l is it doesn't take into account the quality of players in and the form of said players. While I understand the argument for having a system like that personally I rather have a rain day or a super over. Just don't feel the mathematical system currently in places comes anywhere close to take into account all the variables the game of cricket provides.
 
TimAngas

TimAngas

State Vice-Captain
Stefan9 said:
My issue with d/l is it doesn't take into account the quality of players in and the form of said players. While I understand the argument for having a system like that personally I rather have a rain day or a super over. Just don't feel the mathematical system currently in places comes anywhere close to take into account all the variables the game of cricket provides.
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If it rains play the rest of the game on Cricket Captain 2015 then declare a winner :laugh:
 
StephenZA

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Stefan9 said:
My issue with d/l is it doesn't take into account the quality of players in and the form of said players. While I understand the argument for having a system like that personally I rather have a rain day or a super over. Just don't feel the mathematical system currently in places comes anywhere close to take into account all the variables the game of cricket provides.
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In a way it does, by looking at what the first team achieved and then where the second team is at... by doing this it is looking at the achievements of the team and players on the day up till that point, yes it then adds a statistical approach which does not take into account the 'potential' of the incoming players but that would be trying to predict the future of what a player would do on a particular day; and that way lies madness.

What D/L does not include is the amazing stuff within cricket (and sport), the ability of a Kevin O'Brien to suddenly play an innings, never to be repeated, and win a WC game from an impossible position. Which is why we love the game. Unfortunately if you want to do something amazing for your team you better get it done before the rain comes.
 
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Stefan9

International Debutant
stphndbsn said:
In a way it does, by looking at what the first team achieved and then where the second team is at... by doing this it is looking at the achievements of the team and players on the day up till that point, yes it then adds a statistical approach which does not take into account the 'potential' of the incoming players but that would be trying to predict the future of what a player would do on a particular day; and that way lies madness.

What D/L does not include is the amazing stuff within cricket (and sport), the ability of a Kevin O'Brien to suddenly play an innings, never to be repeated, and win a WC game from an impossible position. Which is why we love the game. Unfortunately if you want to do something amazing for your team you better get it done before the rain comes.
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You are already trying to predict the future with this system. If it doesn't take into account the ability of a qdk.de villiers,butler,stokes,ect then the system is very flawed imho...

Anyway hopefully it doesn't rain today so we don't need the crocked system to decide the game.
 
Howe_zat

Howe_zat

Audio File
Stefan9 said:
You are already trying to predict the future with this system. If it doesn't take into account the ability of a qdk.de villiers,butler,stokes,ect then the system is very flawed imho...

Anyway hopefully it doesn't rain today so we don't need the crocked system to decide the game.
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No you are not. You categorically, definitely are not.

Thanks for posting that though, saved us from arguing the best way to do completely different things
 
Jono

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Haha, yeah very different pitch here, will be interesting to see what ends up being a good score.

SA being $1.7 right now makes no sense really. Very short. Moeen is so key here.
 
Howe_zat

Howe_zat

Audio File
Going into the boundary rope head first is a bit different. England leading the way in ODI innovation these days
 
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