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Inzi? Gtfo
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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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Captain_Cook
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TBF, I don't know a huge amount about Steve Waugh. I know he was a great captain. Do most people consider him a great batsman? His record in the Ashes is incredible, although he faced arguably the weakest series of England sides in history.
Gob
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Dead set ATG
Gob
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Similar records but all those amazing hundreds against some great attacks puts him comfortably ahead of Belly imo
MWaugh vs VVS is a better comparison
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I have him right up there with Dravid and Kallis in the tier below they very best. Push comes to shove, I'd maybe rate him above those two as well. Some of his innings against the likes of Ambrose/Walsh and Donald/Pollock were masterpieces. Apart from Sachin, there wasn't a single batsman who matched his consistent greatness throughout the 90s.
Captain_Cook
U19 12th Man
Really? If you remove his record against England (arguably one of the weakest bowling sides Waugh faced), Steve has 7727 runs (the same number as Ian Bell) at 48.59. I could be reading far too much into statistics here but those numbers aren't the numbers of an ATG.
Ashes great? Yes. ATG? I'm not convinced...
smash84
The Tiger King
That's because you have never seen him bat and haven't seen the bowling attacks he faced and the circumstances he played his innings in. Heck he was probably an ATG in just how mentally tough he was in cricket and that;s not even taking the disciplinary aspects into consideration. He didn't have a great start to his career but from 92 onwards up until his retirement he was ****ing brilliant. He faced, AMbrose, Walsh, Bishop, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Donald, Kapil, Srinath, Vaas, Pollock, Ntini, Heath Streak. Some of these guys are the best bowlers their country produced.
Captain_Cook
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Which innings do you recommend I watch?
harsh.ag
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He played some magnificent knocks against some very good bowling. Proper ATG. His 90s record is incredible. Right up there with Sachin's. Border maybe the only tougher middle order bat in Aus history.
harsh.ag
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Chris Gayle
Sanath Jayasuriya
Andrew Strauss
Stephen Fleming
Dilip Vengsarkar
Saleem Malik
Mark Boucher +
Dan Vettori
Chaminda Vaas
James Anderson
Makhaya Ntini
How the hell did Saleem Malik not make it to any of the lists yet? Inzi, watson, seriously?
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That "one of the weakest attacks" he faced had Gough, Fraser and Caddick should say enough about how many great bowlers there were in that era. His two hundreds at Old Trafford, the 200 vs Walsh/Ambrose, the 63* on a ridiculous seamer in the same series and his 164 v SA probably his best innings, among many more.
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How the hell is ****ing Ganguly not making the XI He played 100+tests guys, can confirm.
harsh.ag
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Ganguly was better than the lot of them. Strauss is the only one I would consider maybe better.
cnerd123
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Dada was a beast. Highly underrated.
We would be considering him as our own Allan Border if it weren't for legends like Sachin, Dravid, Viru and VVS outshining him. He was pretty damn good too but often overlooked or forgotten due to how great the batsmen around him were. Kinda like Gillespie as a bowler.
We would be considering him as our own Allan Border if it weren't for legends like Sachin, Dravid, Viru and VVS outshining him. He was pretty damn good too but often overlooked or forgotten due to how great the batsmen around him were. Kinda like Gillespie as a bowler.
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I like Ganguly too, but better than Vengsarkar and M Waugh? Not even close.
smash84
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Inzy? Are you ****ing kidding me?
morgieb
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I suppose weighing Vengsarkar down is his poor away record. Ganguly's wasn't anywhere near as bad plus his captaincy would help him too.
Waugh didn't make Harsh's side.
harsh.ag
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Didn't have MWaugh in my XI.
But better than Vengsarkar. Vengsarkar looked awkward as **** while batting. Looked like he could get out any ball.
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I was talking about other people's XIs too, ftr. Ganguly didn't make a single one, which is pretty ridiculous. He wasn't that great.