***Official*** India in Australia ODIs 2016

[smash84]

Woah. That article is pretty sharp criticism not very hustified but should msd be retiring

 

[Gnske]

From the captaincy he should, Kohli was practically captain during that series whenever India fielded anyway.

 

[weldone]

Bumrah seems to be Mohanty v 2.0



PS: Not a troll post. Mohanty was a decent ODI bowler.

He took plenty against Pakistan in those random ODIs we used to play in Canada.

Good times, eh? They didn't feel like JAMODIs back then. I miss the '90s.

Mohanty's real heroics came in the 1999 World Cup match against England.

 

[honestbharani]

I do think MSD should retire now. We do not play another proper ODI till the tour of the Windies later this year right?

 

[doesitmatter]

Agree with Chappell here..MSD has to resign from captaincy and i feel he will after T20 wc..India needs a new captain with new ideas and blah blah blah..

 

[smash84]

MSD keeps looking jaded now. He has been a great captain for India and unfortunately for him he doesn't have superstars in his lineup any more so the men he has to lead are significantly weaker line up than what he has been used to in the past. I think he should go soon now. Also Kohli is in the wings and he seems like a capable leader so maybe MS staying back isn't as valuable as it would have been if Virat had been Tendulkaresque as captain.

 

[weldone]

I do think MSD should retire now. We do not play another proper ODI till the tour of the Windies later this year right?

Retirement is a personal decision, but squad selection is not. So if you think Dhoni shouldn't be in the team then you should say he ought to be dropped, and you should also name a keeper-batsman who can easily replace him in the ODI squad and start hitting sixes and finish matches like cakewalk.

Stripping him off captaincy is a different issue altogether, although I won't support that too just yet.

 

[Pratters]

Ya Sanjay has improved a lot over the years.

Maybe, but he is still crap. Knows his cricket actually but tries to be too witty at times. Doesn't know how to balance it out at all.

 

[weldone]

Maybe, but he is still crap. Knows his cricket actually but tries to be too witty at times. Doesn't know how to balance it out at all.

Knowing cricket and being witty is a great combination for a commentator. I don't understand your criticism from that post. Who is your favourite Indian commentator now that both Ganguly and Dravid are busy in worlds outside commentary?

 

[Black_Warrior]

I can't believe you can be watching Cook and think he is captaining with the same style/strategies. He has clearly changed the way he approaches the game.

Can you please specify what it is that Cook is doing different? It's a genuine question. I just hope it's not one of those vague stuff like "he is more positive in his approach'

 

[weldone]

Retirement is a personal decision, but squad selection is not. So if you think Dhoni shouldn't be in the team then you should say he ought to be dropped, and you should also name a keeper-batsman who can easily replace him in the ODI squad and start hitting sixes and finish matches like cakewalk.

Stripping him off captaincy is a different issue altogether, although I won't support that too just yet.

PEWS likes a post supporting Dhoni! Are these strange days or is he drunk?

 

[Pratters]

Yeah, it is, like in the case of Nasser, say. However, the thing with Manjrekar is he tries to do the Seinfeld little things aspect, just not too well a lot of the times. He goes into little things which aren't even 'a thing' no matter how hard one tries for the longest time which gets my goat. 75% times, he is talking about the little things, and only 25% about the cricketing aspects, which is also a bad proportion for me.

Best Indian commentar.. interesting.

I love Ganguly, he calls a spade a spade and is appreciative and dismissive as he feels necessary. Dravid is excellent too. I used to like Gavaskar but he says the same thing a lot of times and I have listened to him for 20+ years and it's boring now. Kumble is boring as hell as well, though at least he is articulate unlike the likes of VVS. Among those who do domestic cricket, Amol Muzumdar is okay. Don't like Atul Wassan. Rohan Gavaskar speaks far too loudly. I like Ashok Malhotra. Since being sacked from the main coaching job for Bengal, he is doing commentary for domestic games now and is fine. I like Shishir Hattangadi when he comments on cricket but I have never seen him doing actual live commentary, but I think I might like him. I don't have any Indian commentator I particularly look forward to listen to among those on air atm. Not that it says a lot. It's like asking who is the world class fast bowler India has?

 

[Prince EWS]

PEWS likes a post supporting Dhoni! Are these strange days or is he drunk?

I liked it for your retirement philosophy stance. I've been pretty vocal on that before.

 

[Spark]

Can you please specify what it is that Cook is doing different? It's a genuine question. I just hope it's not one of those vague stuff like "he is more positive in his approach'

He has actual plans to try and get wickets at all stages of a match, as opposed to "oh no he hit a few fours better put three fielders out on the boundary and tell my bowlers to bowl short for no apparent reason". It's very obvious when the change happened: when Moores was sacked, and Farbrace and then Bayliss came in, and he was no longer following preset plans being set by the backroom staff as opposed to actually captaining out on the field (which led to the idiotic spectacle of runners constantly going on and off the field purely to give messages to Cook from the dressing room).

Really it's very odd that this has to be explained, it's stark to anyone who's watched English cricket over the last three years. In that sense Cook's captaincy hasn't improved so much because it's become more inventive and attacking (though it unquestionably has, and throughout the UAE series he was coming up with some really interesting and clever plans, which he would alter suitably), it's more that he's started to actually captain.

 

[weldone]

Ya Nasser is better, but Sanjay is easily the best among Indians (excluding Ganguly and Dravid as they don't do it any more). I'm not sure you have heard him during the last couple of test series, but Sanjay has really improved a lot compared to a couple of years ago.

 

[Pratters]

I forgot about the likes of Chopra, Agarkar and Murali Kartik. Chopra makes some fine points but he is annoying to listen to at times as he has this weird accent. Some times, it feels like he has to make an effort to speak 100% fluently which isn't great. He also obsesses about his point and goes on about it. Agarkar is fine to listen to and I would like to listen more of him. I haven't really heard Murali Kartik properly for any length of time to make a call of any kind.

 

[weldone]

Agarkar has his biases. And yes, Chopra writes better than he speaks.

 

[Pratters]

Ya Nasser is better, but Sanjay is easily the best among Indians (excluding Ganguly and Dravid as they don't do it any more). I'm not sure you have heard him during the last couple of test series, but Sanjay has really improved a lot compared to a couple of years ago.

Haven't heard him over the last couple of series. 90% times, I mute the commentary as I notice far more cricketing aspects without it. Only when I am a quite tired and/or the commentator on is very good do I switch on the commentary. I will try to give a listen when I can.

 

[weldone]

Haven't heard him over the last couple of series.

Ya that explains. My reaction to Sanjay's commentary has gone from annoyance to liking over the past 1 year or so.

 

[Black_Warrior]

He has actual plans to try and get wickets at all stages of a match, as opposed to "oh no he hit a few fours better put three fielders out on the boundary and tell my bowlers to bowl short for no apparent reason". It's very obvious when the change happened: when Moores was sacked, and Farbrace and then Bayliss came in, and he was no longer following preset plans being set by the backroom staff as opposed to actually captaining out on the field (which led to the idiotic spectacle of runners constantly going on and off the field purely to give messages to Cook from the dressing room).

Really it's very odd that this has to be explained, it's stark to anyone who's watched English cricket over the last three years. In that sense Cook's captaincy hasn't improved so much because it's become more inventive and attacking (though it unquestionably has, and throughout the UAE series he was coming up with some really interesting and clever plans, which he would alter suitably), it's more that he's started to actually captain.

No I don't disagree with that. The way I see it though, it's just a natural progression, just like a batsman develops his game from his debut to become a better batsman. Anyone who has been at a specific role, will in all likelihood improve.

Point I was trying to make was, the criticism of Cook or Dhoni by Chappell in this case was dumb .Not because there is no legitimate criticism possible, but the arguments actually made like "oh he's so negative, oh he's so defensive' don't actually make sense. Now maybe at one point he followed preset plans and Moores 'data' and now he is more responsive to on field happenings. One worked, the other didn't. Fair enough. Saying vague things like "Dhoni looks jaded." or 'we need new ideas, fresh approach" I don't know what these things mean.

Fact is, Cook hasn't suddenly become a different person, nor has Dhoni. We tend to attach a stronger link between captaincy approaches and a series scoreline. Yes they might be trying out different things as per the needs of the game, some of them work, some of them don't.
A series scoreline of 1-4 in Australia or 2-0 (maybe 2-1) in South Africa has to do with a host of other factors than just 'oh the captaincy was different'. Cook could be doing the exact same things that he is doing right now and still lose a test series, like he did recently in the UAE.