***Official*** England in South Africa 2015/16

[Howe_zat]

Apparently only changes are Vilas for QDK and Viljoen for Piedt, so only three POCs.

You'd think this is a bit of a wake up call for the massive amounts of bull**** posted about the quota system. But I doubt it, facts aren't important when it's easier to just whine.

^ pay the man

 

[91Jmay]

Yeah, can you imagine the uproar if zan Zyl had been black ?

 

[Marius]

Yeah, can you imagine the uproar if zan Zyl had been black ?

To be fair, people have been calling for Van Zyl to be dropped for a while now. Think he's had enough chances now.

 

[Stefan9]

True our biggest issue seems to be lack of quality leadership or a core to the team and the lack of stability as half the team could be dropped at any time... Vilas, qdk, stiaan, faf, viljoen, morris are all stuggling.

The big problem CSA has is their identification of future players and investinf in them too long instead of looking domesticallybfor players have been performing... For example neil mckenzie could have added value imho especially after smith retired. While elgar still establishes himself.

Aiden markram is CSA's next moonshot. Rabada seems to be a success but i wont forget Parnell.

Just cause parnel didn't make doesn't mean that the same fate awaits all those identified at under 19 level. All of smith,amla,ab,steyn,morkel,elgar,rossouw and radaba also came from there. So it hasn't produced quite a few.

Parnel became too big for his shoes, think the ipl contract early in his career had a really bad influence.

 

[Johann]

Bavuma may or may not work out, but yeah Rabada is a certainty to be a world class fast bowler.

"A certainty" is overstating things. At the moment he is very promising but there are a lot of things that can go wrong in between

 

[Oduodu]

No what I am saying is that they must choose players of colour based on their performances in franchise cricket. Rabada and bavuma are the best performing black batsman and bowlers in franchise cricket. So if say a bowler is black and is the second best bowler of colour in franchise he must get chosen if the one above him is injured. If they fail they fail. its not as if of the white players has set the world ablaze either.

Test cricket is a test of your cricket system as a whole. At the moment its telling me that there is something seriously wrong.

 

[Stefan9]

"A certainty" is overstating things. At the moment he is very promising but there are a lot of things that can go wrong in between

There is always a chance of something going wrong with young players. But young kg is a certain a thing we have since steyn appeared on the scene.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

There is always a chance of something going wrong with young players. But young kg is a certain a thing we have since steyn appeared on the scene.

Just hope he plays only a small part of the one day series or misses it totally. Don't want a young prospect getting injured for overdoing it. He looks a gem so they need to look after him.

 

[Captain_Cook]

Don't want a young prospect getting injured for overdoing it. He looks a gem so they need to look after him.

SA only play on average 39 international matches a year since 2010 compared to England's 44. By and large SA play less tests which are the most likely culprits for injury.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

SA only play on average 39 international matches a year since 2010 compared to England's 44. By and large SA play less tests which are the most likely culprits for injury.

I was thinking more that playing 3 tests in a short time then 5 one dayers may be a bit much. Rest him for some/all of the one dayers. If he is part of the plans for the T20 WC then he will be fresh for that, if not they don't need to play him at all.

 

[Blanco]

OK, we'll agree to disagree.

EDIT: I think the target of four POCs should be kept, but it should be a target and not a quota.

Isn't it easier to pick your best team or team which gives you the best chance of winning, whether it be 0 or 4 or 11 coloured players. Players should be picked on performance and if you have two players of equal performance at domestic level: one white and one black player. The colour of the skin shouldn't be the determining factor in selection. You should look for factors such as temperament, which one has the ability to dominate etc.

 

[cnerd123]

Can someone point me to where it says 4 POCs is a hard and fast rule that the SA Nat side must follow? Because all I can find is that it is a guideline. Not a rule. A guideline.

 

[Niall]

Can someone point me to where it says 4 POCs is a hard and fast rule that the SA Nat side must follow? Because all I can find is that it is a guideline. Not a rule. A guideline.

CSA confirms guideline on selection quota | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo


They lost the world cup semi final due to the quota system in having to play Vern instead of Abbot.

 

[Athlai]

CSA confirms guideline on selection quota | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo


They lost the world cup semi final due to the quota system in having to play Vern instead of Abbott.

This is such tripe. Vernon Philander is a quality bowler and he had missed games due to injury. Abbott is a barely established quick who had an okay world cup but got most of his wickets beating up the Irish. I'm pretty sure the final would also be the 2nd time he bowled in NZ ever. It made plenty of sense.

Steyn not firing lost you that match.

Or the rain.

Though the rain hurt us too.

God that was a tense game.

 

[Niall]

This is such tripe. Vernon Philander is a quality bowler and he had missed games due to injury. Abbott is a barely established quick who had an okay world cup but got most of his wickets beating up the Irish. I'm pretty sure the final would also be the 2nd time he bowled in NZ ever. It made plenty of sense.

Steyn not firing lost you that match.

Or the rain.

Though the rain hurt us too.

God that was a tense game.

Yeah, was meant to edit that post but my dinner needed to be cooked.

He was one of the main reasons they lost the semi, Philander was clearly not fit that day, and the fact that all reports since suggest he wasn't happy playing to make up the quota contingent really make his inclusion ahead of Abbot insane.

 

[Blanco]

Can someone point me to where it says 4 POCs is a hard and fast rule that the SA Nat side must follow? Because all I can find is that it is a guideline. Not a rule. A guideline.

Well then not a very good guideline.Players need to be picked on potential and performance,period! This is international cricket not some charity match.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Ok I won't say they necessarily lost because of Philander. Steyn went for 8.6 an over too and it's a futile exercise to speculate if Abbot would have ensured a victory.
But, based on performances in that tournament, Abbot should have been picked ahead of Philander.

 

[Niall]

Ok I won't say they necessarily lost because of Philander. Steyn went for 8.6 an over too and it's a futile exercise to speculate if Abbot would have ensured a victory.
But, based on performances in that tournament, Abbot should have been picked ahead of Philander.

Oh yeah Steyn was poor as well, but Vern trundling his inner Indian medium pacer didn't really help things whatsoever, not sure how Abbot would have done worse.

 

[Stefan9]

This is such tripe. Vernon Philander is a quality bowler and he had missed games due to injury. Abbott is a barely established quick who had an okay world cup but got most of his wickets beating up the Irish. I'm pretty sure the final would also be the 2nd time he bowled in NZ ever. It made plenty of sense.

Steyn not firing lost you that match.

Or the rain.

Though the rain hurt us too.

God that was a tense game.

Philander wasn't the only reason we lost. But being forced to pick a half fit vern certainly had an influence. Fully fit Vern over abbot each time but vern wasn't ready for that game and was forced to play by the ceo.

 

[Marius]

Steyn and the rain were the reasons we lost. That said, Abbott was our best bowler in the World Cup, and Vern was only half-fit, and probably shouldn't have played just because of that.