Is Chris Gayle some sort of perverted misogynist or can everyone just settle down?

[Jono]

https://soundcloud.com/abc_grandstand/the-press-room-scg-day-3 Gerard Whateley, Neroli Meadows, Melinda Farrell and Chris Rogers are in the Press Room, with the Chris Gayle controversy the topic of discussion

I read the article which described Melinda as emotional, but didn't realise she was actually tearing up.

I think we need to listen to our female sports journalists when they describe what they experience and explain that it makes them uncomfortable.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Do you really want a cricket forum to be filled with social justice threads.

I do.

 

[sledger]

Agreed.

Yet this incident gets a lot of people overcooked, whereas this doesn't seem to be the case on many other occasion

Even if this is true (which I'd probably dispute) it doesn't mean people are wrong to get worked up about it on this occasion.

 

[Stapel]

There was a proper conversation posted earlier in the thread between two women who felt it was a really bad thing CG did, so that argument is null and void.

This thread is going too fast.....

I've had a discussion with my wife about this last night. She simply had to laugh out loud (on what CHG had said). Must be said: she works as a criminal investigator in male dominant environment. Maybe she's used to really bad things.

 

[Dan]

For those who think it was really bad was CHG did, get yourself into a decent and proper conversation with any woman on this subject. There are far far worse examples of ***ism around. Every day again.

Nobody disagrees with this; it's complete whataboutery though. The fact that there are worse examples of ***ism around doesn't somehow make this not-***ism, or not important enough to discuss. Once more denying and trivialising people's experiences.

 

[GIMH]

you all suck

 

[GIMH]

I mean wtf is 'whaboutery'

should be instantly banned for using such nonsensical non-words

up there with 'relativist' as a low point for CW vocab

 

[Stapel]

Even if this is true (which I'd probably dispute) it doesn't mean people are wrong to get worked up about it on this occasion.

You won't hear me saying people are wrong.....

It's just that I'm a bit amazed how ferociously people react to this.

 

[Prince EWS]

We don't always just comment on batting technique here. There are a lot of other subjects (cricketing and non cricketing) with moral and emotional implications we comment on.

And I am no batting expert, nor have I ever played cricket at any professional level? So why do I get to comment on how an international batsman should bat?

People have much less control over their emotions than they do physical actions like batting. I feel things all the time that I wish I didn't; it's not just a matter of picking a different emotional reaction to something.

 

[sledger]

You won't hear me saying people are wrong.....

It's just that I'm a bit amazed how ferociously people react to this.

It's a high profile issue. People do tend to get worked up about those.

 

[James90]

The event by itself doesn't deserve to dominate the national media cycle but I'm glad that it has. Gayle's comments, whilst not the worst comments ever made, were clearly unwelcome and crossed the line. No doubt he will think twice before he puts a woman in the same position on national television and so will others. If nothing else, the amount of attention this has received is because a large number of people (many of whom are prominent in the sporting industry) acknowledged the need to break the culture of men making ***ual remarks at a woman's expense and viewing the whole thing as a laugh. McLaughlan is worth more than that.

I work as an employment lawyer and most weeks I talk to women that have been on the receiving end of unwanted ***ual attention in the workplace. This type of conduct is not always called out. It is often not until the employment relationship (and occasionally the woman's mental health and self-esteem) is severely compromised that the matter is brought to a head. If commenting on a woman's appearance or ***uality was not the norm, and this type of conduct were not so readily dismissed as harmless banter, my firm would have significantly fewer clients.

I think Neroli Meadows hit the nail on the head today when she basically said: This is how this type of behaviour makes women feel, this is my opinion of the matter based on my experience in the industry and I just want men to listen to women when they say that this sort of behaviour is not welcome.

Men have an important role to play in this debate, but it's not telling women how they should feel.

 

[Stapel]

Nobody disagrees with this; it's complete whataboutery though. The fact that there are worse examples of ***ism around doesn't somehow make this not-***ism, or not important enough to discuss. Once more denying and trivialising people's experiences.

That's not really my point. I think it is ***ist and defenitely worth a discussion. The way this is done though (by soem, not all of course), strikes me as paternalistic.

 

[Spikey]

I mean wtf is 'whaboutery'

should be instantly banned for using such nonsensical non-words

up there with 'relativist' as a low point for CW vocab

dude. strawman.

 

[Pratters]

I don't think people who are trying to make light of this understand that women go through severe ***ism in sport. This incident is very much part of that culture. It just happened to occur on live television.

 

[GIMH]

dude. strawman.

circular logic on display here

 

[Stapel]

The event by itself doesn't deserve to dominate the national media cycle but I'm glad that it has. Gayle's comments, whilst not the worst comments ever made, were clearly unwelcome and crossed the line. No doubt he will think twice before he puts a woman in the same position on national television and so will others. If nothing else, the amount of attention this has received is because a large number of people (many of whom are prominent in the sporting industry) acknowledged the need to break the culture of men making ***ual remarks at a woman's expense and viewing the whole thing as a laugh. McLaughlan is worth more than that.

I work as an employment lawyer and most weeks I talk to women that have been on the receiving end of unwanted ***ual attention in the workplace. This type of conduct is not always called out. It is often not until the employment relationship (and occasionally the woman's mental health and self-esteem) is severely compromised that the matter is brought to a head. If commenting on a woman's appearance or ***uality was not the norm, and this type of conduct were not so readily dismissed as harmless banter, my firm would have significantly fewer clients.

I think Neroli Meadows hit the nail on the head today when she basically said: This is how this type of behaviour makes women feel, this is my opinion of the matter based on my experience in the industry and I just want men to listen to women when they say that this sort of behaviour is not welcome.

Men have an important role to play in this debate, but it's not telling women how they should feel.

Just an example that ***ism has many facets, even without the ***ual aspect:

I work as a science teacher. Two years ago, after having given a 14year old girl a positive advice on math & science, her dad contacted me: Are you sure this is right for a girl?

I've got a box in my mind with probably 100 of such examples. These can get me carried away a lot more than what CHG had to say the other day.

I guess I bring this example forward, so people can understand why I think some reactions here are overdone.

 

[Stapel]

I mean wtf is 'whaboutery'

should be instantly banned for using such nonsensical non-words

up there with 'relativist' as a low point for CW vocab

I tried to google it, but my screen told me my computer was reinitialsing.

 

[Gnske]

I don't think people who are trying to make light of this understand that women go through severe ***ism in sport. This incident is very much part of that culture. It just happened to occur on live television.

Mmh, its a ****y predicament. You would think there would be majority of support for women reporting this kind of thing happening behind the scenes, social media attention is gold after all and that sort of traction can go a long way to prevent devious firings behind the scenes just for spilling the truth.

But I think every article so far written about this incident, even CA's social media posts has had top comments of blokes calling it 'just banter, get over etc.'

 

[Stapel]

Well, I just get served here. I don't mean this to be peronal, as many do so (I guess myself included).

I don't think people who are trying to make light of this understand that women go through severe ***ism in sport. This incident is very much part of that culture. It just happened to occur on live television.

I agree with what you say here, but the way you say it, comes accross at paternalistic.

 

[mr_mister]

Gayle was in the wrong