**Official** New Zealand in Australia 2015

[Spark]

I was worried about Hazelwood too, based on previous dismissals, but then I realised that this guy is second to none in his preparation. If we on a cricket forum were talking about it, you knew he was in the nets for hours on end making sure it wasn't a factor.

What Johnson said was basically he knew zero about him. In this era, I find that absolutely insane. I lived in Australia, I watched CH9 with no other option. They genuinely do not know what else happens in the rest of the world, bar the odd fan that posts on here. I dunno, I just think that's lame. I'm surprised the Sheffield Shield isn't called the World Series.

As opposed to all those other places in the world with world cricket on FTA television...?

 

[Tangles]

A lot of Aussies rely on Nine for coverage so overseas cricket is sketchy. As an ex-pat I hang out here and find online coverage because I have to. Your average fan won't bother with that.

I knew KW was good but despite reading about non Aussie cricket here I don't watch much due to time commitments etc. Watching him bat cemented that there wasn't any CW hyperbole going on.

I would hope a professional or team scout would do some homework on the oppositions best bat.

 

[Spark]

People don't seem to understand this about Australia. The reason they only get Australia only cricket plus England Ashes is because that's all C9 shows under the anti-siphoning legislation for free.

Unlike in the rest of the world, where if you want to watch cricket then you can watch not just your team's cricket but a substantial chunk of global cricket depending on rights deals - if you pay. You can get that in Australia here, of course, but only die-hard fans will pay specifically to watch teams that aren't Australia.

 

[Tangles]

The nine comms should know more but I doubt anyone here thinks they are anything but atrocious.

 

[Moss]

People don't seem to understand this about Australia. The reason they only get Australia only cricket plus England Ashes is because that's all C9 shows under the anti-siphoning legislation for free.

Unlike in the rest of the world, where if you want to watch cricket then you can watch not just your team's cricket but a substantial chunk of global cricket depending on rights deals - if you pay. You can get that in Australia here, of course, but only die-hard fans will pay specifically to watch teams that aren't Australia.

Isn't this true of most of the other cricketing nations? In England I'm guessing it's accessible only to Sky viewers. In India, since cricket here is pretty much what rugby is to NZ, you do get most coverage of cricket not involving India, though Indian fans too increasingly don't have much time for it.

The point with regard to Australia is more to do with why the CH9 crew chooses to be that way.

 

[NUFAN]

Re: Johnson vs Williamson

Im convinced that its a case of Kane never performing amazingly against Aus before this Test so Mitch would have taken past performances with the whole 'bet he cant do this against me starc lyon and siddle' and I guess he was correct.. Siddle for the WACA!!

 

[Tangles]

Good idea. NZ need a proper fast bowler.

 

[Athlai]

Good idea. NZ need a proper fast bowler.

Na NZ the thing we really need at the moment is a fit and in form Boult and Southee. A good 3rd quick is definitely on the list though.

 

[SteveNZ]

People don't seem to understand this about Australia. The reason they only get Australia only cricket plus England Ashes is because that's all C9 shows under the anti-siphoning legislation for free.

Unlike in the rest of the world, where if you want to watch cricket then you can watch not just your team's cricket but a substantial chunk of global cricket depending on rights deals - if you pay. You can get that in Australia here, of course, but only die-hard fans will pay specifically to watch teams that aren't Australia.

I can't at all see why that's different to anywhere else in the world. Do you think Australian fans become laissez-faire towards watching a series involving other teams on pay TV simply because they have unrestricted access to their own side on CH9?

I don't think it's necessarily their fault. The lack of research and proper knowledge that the CH9 team puts into their product probably dictates how the masses are educated, or not educated. Where Rangana Herath can tear a year apart and still be behind Nathan Lyon in a comms' World XI. Where Tim Southee is labelled 'unheralded' in papers back in 08, after taking 5-for and scoring 70 on debut just over the pond.

I dunno, as I said I lived there for 2.5 years and the don't know, don't care attitude towards anything that happens outside their borders has the America feel to it. What your average Australian cricket fan will tell you (I know from experience) is that they don't know BJ Watling, but he sure isn't as good as Brad Haddin.

 

[Immenso]

People don't seem to understand this about Australia. The reason they only get Australia only cricket plus England Ashes is because that's all C9 shows under the anti-siphoning legislation for free.

Unlike in the rest of the world, where if you want to watch cricket then you can watch not just your team's cricket but a substantial chunk of global cricket depending on rights deals - if you pay. You can get that in Australia here, of course, but only die-hard fans will pay specifically to watch teams that aren't Australia.

Yeah, I get it. Same with NZ and rugby.
Although you have to pay for sky to get rugby in NZ. But to get non-domestic, 4 Nations or Super Rugby you need to pay for an extra channel on top of the sports package. So no European rugby or Currie Cup - I prefer blissful ignorance to overkill anyway.

 

[ImpatientLime]

I dunno, as I said I lived there for 2.5 years and the don't know, don't care attitude towards anything that happens outside their borders has the America feel to it. What your average Australian cricket fan will tell you (I know from experience) is that they don't know BJ Watling, but he sure isn't as good as Brad Haddin.

this bit here, could be aimed at any of the major cricketing nations. your average cricket watcher all over the world is the above. your average cricket web poster who stays up to the early hours to watch bangla-sri lanka in a dead rubber odi is not the norm.

this is not something that is unique to australia and it's boring to see people continuing to harp on about it.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I can't at all see why that's different to anywhere else in the world. Do you think Australian fans become laissez-faire towards watching a series involving other teams on pay TV simply because they have unrestricted access to their own side on CH9?

I don't think it's necessarily their fault. The lack of research and proper knowledge that the CH9 team puts into their product probably dictates how the masses are educated, or not educated. Where Rangana Herath can tear a year apart and still be behind Nathan Lyon in a comms' World XI. Where Tim Southee is labelled 'unheralded' in papers back in 08, after taking 5-for and scoring 70 on debut just over the pond.

I dunno, as I said I lived there for 2.5 years and the don't know, don't care attitude towards anything that happens outside their borders has the America feel to it. What your average Australian cricket fan will tell you (I know from experience) is that they don't know BJ Watling, but he sure isn't as good as Brad Haddin.

Might surprise you to know that cricket just isn't that important to most people. 75% of the country probably don't even know what it is and less than 5% would really have any serious interest and even then the number of people who care enough to spend their time watching/following overseas cricket (which is not only time consuming, but also in the middle of the night pretty much everywhere else) is very low.

Why would anyone care if they're not interested? Why would you expect an average cricket fan to care? It's a bizarre expectation.

 

[Immenso]

The wacca game may be worth recording on mysky. Apart from greatbatch there was the jones inning as well.
Ian Chappell said " this man can not bat" after the first test and had to apologise after he posted 180 at the wacca.
Lasting memories of the still photos of jones jumping up to a foot in the air to play back foot defensive shots.

You memory is failing you. It was Adelaide with 2 spinners for a 150. He pulled Peter Sleep long-hops for about 75 of his 150.

 

[mr_mister]

kinda weird how Mark Nicholas was talking about Smith, Root, Kohli and ABDV being the elite batsman of the world right after Williamson scored that ton. Is it just CW that lumps him in with them?

 

[TheJediBrah]

kinda weird how Mark Nicholas was talking about Smith, Root, Kohli and ABDV being the elite batsman of the world right after Williamson scored that ton. Is it just CW that lumps him in with them?

no Ch9 comms were talking about KW as being one of the best non stop during/after that innings

 

[Gnske]

. Where Tim Southee is labelled 'unheralded' in papers back in 08, after taking 5-for and scoring 70 on debut just over the pond.

I want this whole Southee being good meme to die.

 

[straw man]

The ABC radio comms definitely rated Williamson very highly before he'd played that innings. And in fact Starc talked about Williamson as the key wicket before the first match too.

 

[Moss]

Might surprise you to know that cricket just isn't that important to most people. 75% of the country probably don't even know what it is and less than 5% would really have any serious interest and even then the number of people who care enough to spend their time watching/following overseas cricket (which is not only time consuming, but also in the middle of the night pretty much everywhere else) is very low.

Why would anyone care if they're not interested? Why would you expect an average cricket fan to care? It's a bizarre expectation.

Again, I think the surprise isn't so much about the average fan as the Ch9 crew. A good many of us grew up on their world-class coverage which featured Benaud et al and, though it may not have been aimed at us overseas viewers, we came to expect certain standards of Ch9.

I suppose that Geoff Lemon piece on Ch9 destroying a legacy offers one possible explanation.

 

[Tangles]

I personally wasn't a Ritchie fan growing up. I preferred Bill and Tony.

I was in a cricket wasteland coverage wise for a few years in the US and missed the transition. When I started watching them again I was WTF about 3 ppl in the box and the inane **** they were spouting. It's a direction change aimed at average or non fans.

 

[straw man]

I'd convinced myself Henry was going to be bowling with a new or near-new ball at the WACA and was going to roar back into form there... at least to the right-handers. We know that like most RH outswing bowlers he's not as good against lefties and Boult is supposed to take care of them anyway. If Henry could return to bowling with the rhythm he had in the World Cup then he would be a handful for the likes of Burns.

However from all the talk it seems Henry will be the only seamer of five to miss out :/