**Official** New Zealand in Australia 2015

[Moss]

Fan of wagner at adelaide. WACA could go really wellor a new level of pain

There's a line in Sherlock Holmes where SH speaks disparagingly of another detective: "Lecoq was a miserable bungler, he had only one thing to recommend him, and that was his energy." I always think of this put-down when Wagner comes up for discussion. Which is probably unfair.

But seriously, at the moment the attack needs someone fit and willing to run in all day without dropping in intensity.Well you know the drill..

 

[Hurricane]

There's a line in Sherlock Holmes where SH speaks disparagingly of another detective: "Lecoq was a miserable bungler, he had only one thing to recommend him, and that was his energy." I always think of this put-down when Wagner comes up for discussion. Which is probably unfair.

But seriously, at the moment the attack needs someone fit and willing to run in all day without dropping in intensity.Well you know the drill..

I have him rated higher than Matt-ball-bounces-before-reaching-slips-Henry

 

[Spark]

There's a line in Sherlock Holmes where SH speaks disparagingly of another detective: "Lecoq was a miserable bungler, he had only one thing to recommend him, and that was his energy." I always think of this put-down when Wagner comes up for discussion. Which is probably unfair.

But seriously, at the moment the attack needs someone fit and willing to run in all day without dropping in intensity.Well you know the drill..

So you're basically hoping that Peter Siddle will suddenly switch nationalities?

 

[SteveNZ]

I have him rated higher than Matt-ball-bounces-before-reaching-slips-Henry

At Perth as well? I mean horses for courses, Henry makes more sense. A swing bowler who generally bowls a full length, to a guy who doesn't regularly hit the seam or swing it, and is better with reverse and pure effort - ie on slower flat ones.

 

[Moss]

At Perth as well? I mean horses for courses, Henry makes more sense. A swing bowler who generally bowls a full length, to a guy who doesn't regularly hit the seam or swing it, and is better with reverse and pure effort - ie on slower flat ones.

Henry's selection does make more sense, but given how underdone the attack looked in Brisbane thought they might need more of what Wagner brings to the table.

In any case, I'd have both Wagner and Henry in and leave Bracewell out.

 

[Hurricane]

At Perth as well? I mean horses for courses, Henry makes more sense. A swing bowler who generally bowls a full length, to a guy who doesn't regularly hit the seam or swing it, and is better with reverse and pure effort - ie on slower flat ones.

I am holding a grudge against him for not getting Cook caught at first slip. He came on first change. Bowled a really good over. Worked over Cook and on the 5th ball earned the edge, and due to errors in the mechanics of his action it didn't even come close to carrying to slip.
Before you jump in and say that happens to every bowler. There were numerous instances where it was bouncing before Watling. Something isn't right with his action. Be it the snap of his wrist, or the position of his head, or the bracing of his left side. Couldn't tell you which of the three. But there are issues.

 

[SteveNZ]

Henry's selection does make more sense, but given how underdone the attack looked in Brisbane thought they might need more of what Wagner brings to the table.

In any case, I'd have both Wagner and Henry in and leave Bracewell out.

Not a bad shout. I don't think it'll happen but I don't think we'd lose anything.

 

[SteveNZ]

I am holding a grudge against him for not getting Cook caught at first slip. He came on first change. Bowled a really good over. Worked over Cook and on the 5th ball earned the edge, and due to errors in the mechanics of his action it didn't even come close to carrying to slip.
Before you jump in and say that happens to every bowler. There were numerous instances where it was bouncing before Watling. Something isn't right with his action. Be it the snap of his wrist, or the position of his head, or the bracing of his left side. Couldn't tell you which of the three. But there are issues.

That's fair. Right arm swing bowlers get it, where they try to manipulate their release to come across a LHer as opposed to changing the angle. Thus, they lose height. No surprise that a young bowler still hasn't mastered it. Millsy was outstanding at it later in his career and that was from experience.

 

[Hurricane]

That's fair. Right arm swing bowlers get it, where they try to manipulate their release to come across a LHer as opposed to changing the angle. Thus, they lose height. No surprise that a young bowler still hasn't mastered it. Millsy was outstanding at it later in his career and that was from experience.

Great post

 

[Kippax]

Hitting the pronounced seam at weird angles was behind all that variable carry with Henry I think. His seam orbit really isn't anywhere near as pure as Southee's or Boult's.

 

[Kippax]

http://www.smh.com.au//breaking-new...ises-intimidation-at-waca-20151111-462rg.html

"I'd love to play there. It's pretty awesome, a very special place for fast bowlers.

"If you're going to play at the WACA then you get pretty excited."

But not too excited, Wagner suggesting his side couldn't afford to repeat the mistakes of past touring sides.

"Just watching cricket here over the years, I think overseas teams have come here and bowled a bit too short," he said.

"They get carried away with the bounce and the pace.

"Sometimes you've got to bowl a touch fuller length ... it's a little bit like The Basin in Wellington.

 

[SteveNZ]

Hitting the pronounced seam at weird angles was behind all that variable carry with Henry I think. His seam orbit really isn't anywhere near as pure as Southee's or Boult's.

Yeah, which is likely caused by a different wrist snap. Rather than remaining behind the ball and travelling down bolt upright as he'd do to a right hander, he's seemingly hit the same angles on the crease and looked to push it across Cook and it's probably a combination of lost height, less than ideal seam release etc. On the days he gets it right, his seam is beautiful.

 

[SteveNZ]

Mitchell Johnson: I underestimated Kane Williamson at the Gabba | Stuff.co.nz

"It is a bit of a surprise to me, the way he played. I hadn't seen a lot of him. I knew about him [but] I didn't realise what a good player he is."

Turns out it's not just the CH9 comms that work on the edict of outside Australia of 'if a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound'. Just like a mini America.

 

[hendrix]

Mitchell Johnson: I underestimated Kane Williamson at the Gabba | Stuff.co.nz

"It is a bit of a surprise to me, the way he played. I hadn't seen a lot of him. I knew about him [but] I didn't realise what a good player he is."

Turns out it's not just the CH9 comms that work on the edict of outside Australia of 'if a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound'. Just like a mini America.

Nah we knew he was a good player but that first innings was a bit of a revelation. There were still questions like:

1. How will he go on fast bouncy pitches against tall fast bowlers.

2. Can he dominate a bowling attack?

I thought he might answer question one (although I was worried about Hazlewood), but it was anothing thing entirely to not only survive and score against this attack, but to score against it at such a high strike rate, and to almost play shots at will like he was in that first innings knock.

We had high expectations but that was a special innings.

 

[indiaholic]

Nah we knew he was a good player but that first innings was a bit of a revelation. There were still questions like:

1. How will he go on fast bouncy pitches against tall fast bowlers.

2. Can he dominate a bowling attack?

I thought he might answer question one (although I was worried about Hazlewood), but it was anothing thing entirely to not only survive and score against this attack, but to score against it at such a high strike rate, and to almost play shots at will like he was in that first innings knock.

We had high expectations but that was a special innings.

It was an exceptional innings but don't you expect exceptional things from Williamson? Most of CW seems to rank him alongside Kohli, Root and Smith before this innings. I for one would have been shocked if KW didn't dominate on Australian pitches.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

It was an exceptional innings but don't you expect exceptional things from Williamson? Most of CW seems to rank him alongside Kohli, Root and Smith before this innings. I for one would have been shocked if KW didn't dominate on Australian pitches.

He's had issues with being caught back-foot driving away from the body which people speculated could limit him on bouncy pitches.

 

[Tangles]

Mitchell Johnson: I underestimated Kane Williamson at the Gabba | Stuff.co.nz

"It is a bit of a surprise to me, the way he played. I hadn't seen a lot of him. I knew about him [but] I didn't realise what a good player he is."

Turns out it's not just the CH9 comms that work on the edict of outside Australia of 'if a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound'. Just like a mini America.

It's Murrica if you're being derogatory btw.

 

[SteveNZ]

Nah we knew he was a good player but that first innings was a bit of a revelation. There were still questions like:

1. How will he go on fast bouncy pitches against tall fast bowlers.

2. Can he dominate a bowling attack?

I thought he might answer question one (although I was worried about Hazlewood), but it was anothing thing entirely to not only survive and score against this attack, but to score against it at such a high strike rate, and to almost play shots at will like he was in that first innings knock.

We had high expectations but that was a special innings.

I was worried about Hazelwood too, based on previous dismissals, but then I realised that this guy is second to none in his preparation. If we on a cricket forum were talking about it, you knew he was in the nets for hours on end making sure it wasn't a factor.

What Johnson said was basically he knew zero about him. In this era, I find that absolutely insane. I lived in Australia, I watched CH9 with no other option. They genuinely do not know what else happens in the rest of the world, bar the odd fan that posts on here. I dunno, I just think that's lame. I'm surprised the Sheffield Shield isn't called the World Series.

 

[SteveNZ]

It's Murrica if you're being derogatory btw.

I actually had 'Murica typed out but it didn't look right. Bugger.

 

[Hurricane]

The wacca game may be worth recording on mysky. Apart from greatbatch there was the jones inning as well.
Ian Chappell said " this man can not bat" after the first test and had to apologise after he posted 180 at the wacca.
Lasting memories of the still photos of jones jumping up to a foot in the air to play back foot defensive shots.