***Official*** West Indies in Sri Lanka 2015

[Howe_zat]

No one talking about the game then?

I find myself supporting Malinda Siriwardana, not in the least because his name is Malinda, but also because I think SL could be another top side if they successfully find some new test standard batsmen.

Chandimal gone now as I type. Big upset on the cards here

 

[NUFAN]

Is anyone watching Warrican bowl? Does he look like a bowler wirthy of a FC average of 16?

Yes I have been and unsurprisingly no he doesn't look that amazing. Nothing wrong with him and early days of course.

 

[OverratedSanity]

No one talking about the game then?

I find myself supporting Malinda Siriwardana, not in the least because his name is Malinda, but also because I think SL could be another top side if they successfully find some new test standard batsmen.

Chandimal gone now as I type. Big upset on the cards here

Still a long way to go before we start saying that. West indies' bigger problems are with the bat, not with the ball.

 

[aussie]

Point we are discussing is test team. One or two changes won't make such a huge difference that makes this contest worthless. Of course as a coach, I would want talented players back in the pool. Having some of these cricketers in odis and tests would be nice. Try to understand the difference. The current contest is proper test cricket. It isn't really devalued or any of that hogwash.

I was always discussing the "test team".

So I guess the first test was a wonderful contest then?

Gayle or Lendl Simmons opener over Hope or Chandrika is a HUGE difference

Bravo @ 6 is a HUGE difference since his presence as genuine all-rounder instead of Holder, allows Ramdin to bat in his proper position at 7 instead of making the lower order look so terrible

Rampaul over Gabriel in 1st test would have been a improvement in quality to the pace attack

The current contest obviously being even reinforces the belief of how much better the WI could be playing if the aforementioned were in - but of course its early days in this test - WI have thrown away some equally excellent positions in test cricket a lot i,e Dominca test vs Australia

 

[Howe_zat]

Still a long way to go before we start saying that. West indies' bigger problems are with the bat, not with the ball.

True - amazing how much better you can bat when you're not facing down a 1st innnings 450 though.

 

[aussie]

Is anyone watching Warrican bowl? Does he look like a bowler wirthy of a FC average of 16?

This is a big problem with WI FC cricket, spinners take wickets for runs and get inflated averages because Caribbean batsmen play spin so poorly in general except a few - spin legends Lance Gibbs was talking about it recently

Gibbs hails Narine open to help spinners | WEST INDIES CRICKET BOARD

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Well I'm glad you admit you don't know the case inside out - because your statement proves that conclusively, so let me help you my friend.

During that 2014 NZ series the WICB sent out a press release saying regarding the IPL clash situation with Narine:

“Narine had indicated by the May 24 deadline that he will join the squad on June 1 as required,” stated a WICB release, on May 28. “Narine subsequently advised the WICB on May 28 that he would not be able to meet the June 1 requirement.

“Narine’s decision not to join the camp by June 1 will result in him not being considered for selection to the West Indies squad for the Tests Series v New Zealand (June 8 to 30).”

But the New Zealand cricket board, whose own captain Brendon McCullum was a late returnee from the IPL, expressed a different view about making concessions for the India-based players.

This is what NZ coach Mike Hesson said at the time - How to deal with pitches like plasticine

“Having players join the group at different times is something we’ve become accustomed to with the different formats of the game these days,”. “For those coming from the IPL, it’s not like they’ve been on holiday. They’ve been immersed in cricket for a long time so the transition won’t be as difficult.”


In New Zealand’s first warm-up game in Jamaica, the Kiwis used an unknown Jamaican player, Myron Wilson, to complete their XI, due to the late arrival of several star players from the IPL. There is no evidence that this created an uproar in New Zealand.

Myron Wilson | West Indies Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | ESPN Cricinfo

Tour Match: Jamaica Select XI v New Zealanders at Florence Hall, May 29-30, 2014 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

NZ repeated this same sane approach this year ahead their England tour regarding their star players.

I see you quoted Richard Pybus - but if you read his 19 point plan to revamp Caribbean cricket, points to the establishment of a window for IPL players in point 14; but, in point 7, says priority must be given to West Indies selection.

http://windiescricket.com/sites/default/files/West_Indies_Cricket_Systems_Report_2014_-_Prepared_By_Richard_Pybus.pdf

How could an IPL window not include the final of that competition?

So essentially WICB made a mountain out of a molehill when they could have easily let Narine play the final and then come after to play the test series, NZCB acted with sense and we know who won that series in the end.

Narine was given Jun 1 deadline and the match you quoted finished on May 30. I don't see how that's unfair to Narine that he was given Jun 1 deadline when the match was supposed to start from Jun 8. That's 1 week and imo that was a balanced decision by WICB that time. See the problem is if you say ok that's final so narine we are making this special case for you and you can join the team later then it sets a bad precedent to others, next year you will see someone else coming out and say well if narine was excused why am I not?Whether it was IPL final or not is irrelevant, Narine was given 1 week deadline, it was fair imho

 

[aussie]

Narine was given Jun 1 deadline and the match you quoted finished on May 30. I don't see how that's unfair to Narine that he was given Jun 1 deadline when the match was supposed to start from Jun 8. That's 1 week and imo that was a balanced decision by WICB that time. See the problem is if you say ok that's final so narine we are making this special case for you and you can join the team later then it sets a bad precedent to others, next year you will see someone else coming out and say well if narine was excused why am I not?Whether it was IPL final or not is irrelevant, Narine was given 1 week deadline, it was fair imho

Giving Narine a concession would not have been setting a bad precedent, it was just simple common sense. I'm amazed you can interpret it that way considering NZ have done the complete opposite and had no drama with their IPL players.

The IPL final was already set before that pre-arranged camp, surely the WICB must have understood having got the IPL final KKR would have wanted their marquee player available to help them win the game.

Those are the kind of stupid player management decisions that caused the WICB to loose 15 out of 15 court cases with the West Indies Players association when Dinnath Ramnarine was president.

 

[NUFAN]

So weird that they care that Bishoo hasn't bowled yet. Things are working, not that unheard of that a spinner hasn't bowled in the first 40 overs. In saying that, I'd be tempted to bring him on shortly as he could clean up the tail.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Giving Narine a concession would not have been setting a bad precedent, it was just simple common sense. I'm amazed you can interpret it that way considering NZ have done the complete opposite and had no drama with their IPL players.

The IPL final was already set before that pre-arranged camp, surely the WICB must have understood having got the IPL final KKR would have wanted their marquee player available to help them win the game.

Those are the kind of stupid player management decisions that caused the WICB to loose 15 out of 15 court cases with the West Indies Players association when Dinnath Ramnarine was president.

Again missing the point. The deadline was not particularly set for Narine only. It was for all WI players for the test series. It was a code of conduct if you can interpret that way. Had it not been Narine and was Nikita Miller, the rule would apply as the same.

 

[cnerd123]

So weird that they care that Bishoo hasn't bowled yet. Things are working, not that unheard of that a spinner hasn't bowled in the first 40 overs. In saying that, I'd be tempted to bring him on shortly as he could clean up the tail.

I think its strange Warrican got the ball before him.

 

[aussie]

Again missing the point. The deadline was not particularly set for Narine only. It was for all WI players for the test series. It was a code of conduct if you can interpret that way. Had it not been Narine and was Nikita Miller, the rule would apply as the same.

Haha and you are missing the point that it was a foolish deadline and code of conduct and NZ exposed their crap and showed how a professional cricket board acts or more specifically how one of the weak 7 cricket boards have to be smart with their players who are IPL regulars in the modern realities of world cricket - because such financially strapped boards cannot pay their players on a IPL or T20 league level.

You let them make that extra money freely and when they play for their national team they give you 100% - this is why NZ are close to be in the best team in the world now and West Indies keep descending into turmoil.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Haha and you are missing the point that it was foolish deadline and code of conduct and NZ exposed their crap and showed how a professional cricket board acts or more specifically how one of the weak 7 cricket boards have be smart with their players who are IPL regulars in the modern realities of world cricket - because such financially strapped boards cannot pay their players on a IPL or T20 league level.

You let them make that extra money freely and when they play for their national team they give you 100% - this is why NZ are close to be in the best team in the world now and West Indies keep descending into turmoil.

Yeah ignoring everything and blaming that instance for why WI is in turmoil and NZ in such great heights

This reminds me arguing with you is like playing chess with a pigeon, no matter how good you are at chess, pigeon is going to knock over all the pieces, crap on the board and strut around like it won.

 

[aussie]

Yeah ignoring everything and blaming that instance for why WI is in turmoil and NZ in such great heights

This reminds me arguing with you is like playing chess with a pigeon, no matter how good you are at chess, pigeon is going to knock over all the pieces, crap on the board and strut around like it won.

Yes clearly I'm the one ignoring everything. Are you a WICB board member in disguise, I guess next you will tell me WICB were right in their role in India tour pull out, sleazy new MOU/CBA player contract, victimization of Bravo & Pollard and suspension of coach Simmons.

 

[aussie]

OMG i just read this again and I have to re-quote it

Narine was given Jun 1 deadline and the match you quoted finished on May 30.

No the IPL final was June 1 http://www.espncricinfo.com/indian-premier-league-2014/engine/match/734049.html

I don't see how that's unfair to Narine that he was given Jun 1 deadline when the match was supposed to start from Jun 8. That's 1 week and imo that was a balanced decision by WICB that time.

Yes very balanced indeed. Set a camp to start on June 1, when IPL final was set months before on that date. Narine simply asks to come after he plays that final and WICB make him miss the not just the test match but the ENTIRE test series because he missed a few days of a pre-series camp. That pre-series camp was really special clearly

See the problem is if you say ok that's final so narine we are making this special case for you and you can join the team later then it sets a bad precedent to others, next year you will see someone else coming out and say well if narine was excused why am I not?

Yes these things clearly cause bad precedents in cricket teams, that's is why New Zealand when they allowed their IPL players to come late and miss warm-up games before the 2014 WI tour and 2015 ENG tour, other players in the NZ came out and asked the NZCB and coach Hesson - "hey why is McCullum, Southee, Boult, Anderson, Taylor being excused why am I not?

Except this didn't happen and NZ keep performing, so quit making stuff up

Whether it was IPL final or not is irrelevant, Narine was given 1 week deadline, it was fair imho

Right...So basically KKR's needs at the time in wanting their best player to help them win the IPL final was totally irrelevant & Narine should have just packed his bags and flown to the WICB masters camp! & say to heck with KKR! Yep that's a fair compromise

 

[cnerd123]

Poor shot from Perera by the sounds of it.

Siriwardana with a face saving fifty, but he's going to have to double it if SL want a competitive score upfront. Dilruwan can bat yea?

 

[Pratters]

Aussie, can you make a separate thread for non match stuff like this? Or just stop. I don't think any one is interested in this.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

OMG i just read this again and I have to re-quote it



No the IPL final was June 1 Final: Kolkata Knight Riders v Kings XI Punjab at Bangalore, Jun 1, 2014 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo



Yes very balanced indeed. Set a camp to start on June 1, when IPL final was set months before on that date. Narine simply asks to come after he plays that final and WICB make him miss the not just the test match but the ENTIRE test series because he missed a few days of a pre-series camp. That pre-series camp was really special clearly



Yes these things clearly cause bad precedents in cricket teams, that's is why New Zealand when they allowed their IPL players to come late and miss warm-up games before the 2014 WI tour and 2015 ENG tour, other players in the NZ came out and asked the NZCB and coach Hesson - "hey why is McCullum, Southee, Boult, Anderson, Taylor being excused why am I not?

Except this didn't happen and NZ keep performing, so quit making stuff up



Right...So basically KKR's needs at the time in wanting their best player to help them win the IPL final was totally irrelevant & Narine should have just packed his bags and flown to the WICB masters camp! & say to heck with KKR! Yep that's a fair compromise

Ask the NZ fans that if they wanted their players to be playing in IPL and arriving for a test before two days or they would prefer them having with the team from the set go and play those warm ups. I would say all of the fans would want the latter. As I said, you can still perform by doing such things but I am just not a big fan of this idea. So I stand by WICB for that decision.

 

[Howe_zat]

Rangana Herath is the greatest **** batsman of all time

 

[cnerd123]

Fatty and Dhamika batting together if they can make it through the session it will be glorious.