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***Official*** West Indies in Sri Lanka 2015

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
I don't care if full time west Indies XI or all time west Indies XI or all time Australian XI can beat Sri Lanka, aussie. When we are discussing players why give such blanket statements.
Because based on a under-strength West Indies devalues this series as a contest, gives SRI a false sense that they could be getting better after losing to India and continues to hurt test cricket from a global context if one the top 8 nations are not progressing.

Unless WI can build on this good start to this test match, Australia might be worried that when they visit without their main players they will make the traditional boxing day and new years tests the shortest in recent AUS test summers history.
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
I rated Rampaul and couldn't understand why he wasn't in the test team for a long time now - particularly when Taylor and Roach were injured. But he's past it now and if he still had the desire he wouldn't be fat.

Windies' problem is not the pace bowlers right now.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
I have no bias when watching Prasad, I'm under no delusions regarding his pace or that he bowling well since Leeds 2014 & that teams have to take him seriously now. But IMO its nothing overly superb yet.

Rampaul's size is no different to what it was when I last saw him in the 2015 West domestic OD final in January or when he last played for WI in India tour pull out - so I'm not too sure what you are seeing.

Rampaul got hit around in 2 of CPL games, which can have to the best of bowlers in T20 - otherwise he bowled well.

For me the best available WI team are better than SRI & had a great chance of winning this series. Thats my POV, no problem if you don't agree.

How well they have started this tests just adds fuel to the belief.
Oh god.

Regarding Prasad - how many times have you watched him in a test since April 2014? I doubt you have watched him a lot.

Regarding Rampaul - he hasn't bowled in a first class game since 2012-13. How can he be in the best current West Indies team? Rampaul used to be a good bowler few years ago but that's a few years ago. If you saw him in the CPL, you would notice that he is much bigger than before and can be no where near the current West Indies XI. But don't let facts come in the way of a good story.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Narine of course would have wanted to play for WI but there are certain things that indicate your dedication as a player. A team starts practicing before a tour or series and if you want to be part of the team, you better participate in those. If you are busy playing around in other leagues which have nothing to do with the series ahead, you are obviously giving a feeling that you give damn about your own team. There should be a good balance in these things. I don't know what's exactly the case with Narine but if I can recall he was given ultimatum or some sort to join WI training or ipl (?) You can say f*** training with national team and the individual can just join the team on the day the match starts and perform still. But things don't run this away. Shakib's example comes to my mind. He went to play CPL despite his team's training schedule clashing and chandika plus board were not particularly happy with this. This and mixed with some other disciplinary things, he got banned. Supported the decision because it felt like he was thinking himself as bigger than the team. Now Shakib could easily show middle finger to the board and start to live as mercenary t20 player.That did not happen because he was willing to play for BD more than anything else. This does not mean Narine or Gayle or whoever has to accept everything WI board trying to dish out on them. I don't know the cases inside out but think the blame does not rest solely on WI board for not picking those players. Certainly not for all of them.
Well I'm glad you admit you don't know the case inside out - because your statement proves that conclusively, so let me help you my friend.

During that 2014 NZ series the WICB sent out a press release saying regarding the IPL clash situation with Narine:

“Narine had indicated by the May 24 deadline that he will join the squad on June 1 as required,” stated a WICB release, on May 28. “Narine subsequently advised the WICB on May 28 that he would not be able to meet the June 1 requirement.

“Narine’s decision not to join the camp by June 1 will result in him not being considered for selection to the West Indies squad for the Tests Series v New Zealand (June 8 to 30).”


But the New Zealand cricket board, whose own captain Brendon McCullum was a late returnee from the IPL, expressed a different view about making concessions for the India-based players.

This is what NZ coach Mike Hesson said at the time - How to deal with pitches like plasticine

“Having players join the group at different times is something we’ve become accustomed to with the different formats of the game these days,”. “For those coming from the IPL, it’s not like they’ve been on holiday. They’ve been immersed in cricket for a long time so the transition won’t be as difficult.”


In New Zealand’s first warm-up game in Jamaica, the Kiwis used an unknown Jamaican player, Myron Wilson, to complete their XI, due to the late arrival of several star players from the IPL. There is no evidence that this created an uproar in New Zealand.

Myron Wilson | West Indies Cricket | Cricket Players and Officials | ESPN Cricinfo

Tour Match: Jamaica Select XI v New Zealanders at Florence Hall, May 29-30, 2014 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

NZ repeated this same sane approach this year ahead their England tour regarding their star players.

I see you quoted Richard Pybus - but if you read his 19 point plan to revamp Caribbean cricket, points to the establishment of a window for IPL players in point 14; but, in point 7, says priority must be given to West Indies selection.

http://windiescricket.com/sites/default/files/West_Indies_Cricket_Systems_Report_2014_-_Prepared_By_Richard_Pybus.pdf

How could an IPL window not include the final of that competition?

So essentially WICB made a mountain out of a molehill when they could have easily let Narine play the final and then come after to play the test series, NZCB acted with sense and we know who won that series in the end.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
The thing is Aussie, this is almost a full strength West Indies squad now. The point you are making was relevant TWO YEARS AGO. Since then, West Indies have moved on. Apart from Dwayne Bravo I am not sure how many of these guys you mention I would want in the team. Chris Gayle is 36 and hasn't been close to be his best off late. I doubt adding one or two of these players makes so much of a difference right now. You are living away from reality brother.
 

cnerd123

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Prasad is so gun now; I'd say he is the best subcontinental quick bowler in action in Tests atm - or atleast as good as Wahab and Ishant.
 

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah what you're talking about was valid a few years ago. West Indies have moved on from Gayle, Bravo and Narine. Whether that was a good decision or not (we can keep arguing about that) but this is the team they have put their faith in and they have done an okay job so far. They are fighting well now and deserve some respect. Holder, Roach and Taylor are a formidable attack and as I said earlier, I would any day pick Bishoo over Narine to go with them. That is the best bowling attack in WI at the moment.
 

cnerd123

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Yea Bishoo has come back to Tests really well. Even if Narines action was clean and he was doing the hard yards in FC cricket, he'd only get in if Bishoo tailed off again or if WI wanted 2 spinners.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Oh god.

Regarding Prasad - how many times have you watched him in a test since April 2014? I doubt you have watched him a lot.

Regarding Rampaul - he hasn't bowled in a first class game since 2012-13. How can he be in the best current West Indies team? Rampaul used to be a good bowler few years ago but that's a few years ago. If you saw him in the CPL, you would notice that he is much bigger than before and can be no where near the current West Indies XI. But don't let facts come in the way of a good story.
I watched him in recent series vs IND and this current series.

Because he remains their second best bowler once fit. In case you didn't realize WI FC competition is crap, certain star players don't have to play FC consistently in order to come back in test team. If Gayle was fit he would have played this series despite not playing a FC since Sept 2014. If Narine didn't tell coach Simmons he wasn't ready for a test comeback yet he would have played in this test series despite not playing a FC game since dec 2013.

I visited my family in Trinidad last year for christmas/new year and was back during CPL this summer - i saw Rampaul close up playing & his size was no different.

Bravo was on the verge of playing in NZ 2014 test series despite not playing a 4-game since March 2013, if he didn't injure his shoulder for CSK in IPL 2014.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Even in Rampaul was at his full strength (which he isn't) and playing first class matches was irrelevant (even if we pretend this), he wouldn't be ahead of Taylor or Roach right now.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Haha you guys follow WI cricket?

Are you aware that when Phil Simmons became coach this year he made direct attempts to have meetings with WI IPL stars to bring them back into the team?

WI coach Simmons opens door for IPL quintet | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

Narine not ready for a Test return yet | WEST INDIES CRICKET BOARD


And the reason he was suspended as coach was because he complained that "outside influences" were influencing selectors decision to not pick Bravo & Pollard in one-day team for this SRI tour? - Phil Simmons upset with outside 'influence' in ODI selection | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

Read the Caribbean dailies papers like Jamaica Gleaner, Trinidad Express, Barbados Nation, Guyana Kaieteur, Antigua Observer - the consensus in Caribbean media clearly wants those guys playing and many don't believe Holder should be captain.
 
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Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Haha you guys follow WI cricket?

Are you aware that when Phil Simmons became coach this year he made direct attempts to have meetings with WI IPL stars to bring them back into the team?

WI coach Simmons opens door for IPL quintet | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

Narine not ready for a Test return yet | WEST INDIES CRICKET BOARD


And the reason he was suspended as coach was because he complained that "outside influences" were influencing selectors decision to not pick Bravo & Pollard in one-day team for this SRI tour? - Phil Simmons upset with outside 'influence' in ODI selection | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

Read the Caribbean dailies papers like Jamaica Gleaner, Trinidad Express, Barbados Nation, Guyana Kaieteur, Antigua Observer - the consensus in Caribbean media clearly wants those guys playing and many don't believe Holder should be captain.
We know this but it is irrelevent to the point made.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Yea Bishoo has come back to Tests really well. Even if Narines action was clean and he was doing the hard yards in FC cricket, he'd only get in if Bishoo tailed off again or if WI wanted 2 spinners.
Yes the plan was always going to be Bishoo/Narine spin partnership this series.

Pratters said:
Even in Rampaul was at his full strength (which he isn't) and playing first class matches was irrelevant (even if we pretend this), he wouldn't be ahead of Taylor or Roach right now.
In general no, he would be part of 3 man pace attack with the duo, but he is a better SC type wicket bowler than Roach.
 
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Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Point we are discussing is test team. One or two changes won't make such a huge difference that makes this contest worthless. Of course as a coach, I would want talented players back in the pool. Having some of these cricketers in odis and tests would be nice. Try to understand the difference. The current contest is proper test cricket. It isn't really devalued or any of that hogwash.
 
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Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Also I would suggest to think before posting. Most of cricket fans here watch a fair bit of cricket. Just typing away to glory because you can makes it look really bad. What you know, say. What you don't know, ask. Typing a lot like this just makes you look bad.
 

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