Mohammed Amir cleared to return with immediate effect

[91Jmay]

Furball works in finance, as I understand it, so I don't think that analogy really holds water.

Neither does his claim that fraudsters are banned from Finance for life (I also work in Finance and it is riddled with people who have committed or are committing fraud).

 

[sledger]

His post didn't mention anything to do with being banned, so I don't think he claimed that at all, just that a conviction for fraud would probably render his chances of working again in a money-handling position of trust to be effectively nil. I don't think your anecdotal evidence is enough to rebut this position either.

 

[GIMH]

Look we all know there are people working for banks who are crooked etc but you can't work in one if you have a criminal record or certain financial misdemeanours. That's his point and it's valid but if you want to go another direction. Get done for child-related offences (and I don't necessarily mean paedophilia)? Say goodbye to teaching. There are countless examples. The whole 'this is how he makes a living' argument doesn't wash with me

For me i can understand most arguments in this thread though (except for any trying to justify the offence because it wasn't match fixing, that's just twaddle) but my issue is there's always going to be that nagging doubt. If Brock Lesnar went back to UFC and they booked him V Cm Punk (bear with me because obviously they aren't the same weight class) I would just naturally be suspicious because these guys are pro-wrestlers. I love pro-wrestling but when am watching UFC I want a contest where both guys or girls are trying to destroy each other. When I watch cricket, I mainly want England to win or Oz/India to lose but beyond that you just hope you're watching cricketers give their all.

I'd like to believe Amir has put it all behind him but the minute he oversteps or bowls a bad one, I'm going to be thinking hmmmm

And I can't be the only one.

And hey you may say it's not his problem. But it's his fault. And without us, what is cricket? I'll tell you what, it's a minority sport like Aussie Rules or Kabbadi. It's nothing at all.

So I can accept Amir may deserve his second chance but I do not believe it is in cricket's best interests.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Even if we think spot fixing = match fixing, the fact remains that he was punished for his crime and served his time. He didn't get away with it; on the contrary, he paid a very significant price for a very significant crime. For me, the main issue has always been about second chances and redemption. If you look at the circumstances here (a young kid who came from nothing, influenced by his Captain, and who didn't have a prior offense), then it especially makes sense to give him a second chance. And for those saying he should get that chance outside of cricket, that's complete bull. To take away his main chance at making a successful living is certainly not giving him a second chance, it's extending his punishment. Also, I find it strange that all harping about "he broke the rules" are forgetting that his punishment and return is exactly by the rules.

As I've said before, it would be a joy to see him return to the team and I'm rooting for him to succeed and make the best of his second chance in life.

I don't disagree with this at all. And I also find some of the comments about 'how Amir is a dick' based on anecdotal evidence quite stupid. However, and I have made this point earlier, if he is going to go around abusing people, then he is going to get abused as well and he and his supporters can't really complain about that.
It's got nothing to do with that no ball 5 years ago. My stance on this is the same as the McGrath-Sarwan sledging incident..because the only thing that pisses me off most is hypocrisy and double standards...I can abuse someone but they if they abuse me it's a problem?
Faisal deserves to be abused for nepotism but Amir doesn't for fixing? My view is neither deserve to be abused in public for whatever it is they have done.

 

[Black_Warrior]

And Butt is still the best test opener Pak have produced in a decade

After Imran Farhat of course

 

[Daemon]

Look we all know there are people working for banks who are crooked etc but you can't work in one if you have a criminal record or certain financial misdemeanours. That's his point and it's valid but if you want to go another direction. Get done for child-related offences (and I don't necessarily mean paedophilia)? Say goodbye to teaching. There are countless examples. The whole 'this is how he makes a living' argument doesn't wash with me

For me i can understand most arguments in this thread though (except for any trying to justify the offence because it wasn't match fixing, that's just twaddle) but my issue is there's always going to be that nagging doubt. If Brock Lesnar went back to UFC and they booked him V Cm Punk (bear with me because obviously they aren't the same weight class) I would just naturally be suspicious because these guys are pro-wrestlers. I love pro-wrestling but when am watching UFC I want a contest where both guys or girls are trying to destroy each other. When I watch cricket, I mainly want England to win or Oz/India to lose but beyond that you just hope you're watching cricketers give their all.

I'd like to believe Amir has put it all behind him but the minute he oversteps or bowls a bad one, I'm going to be thinking hmmmm

And I can't be the only one.

And hey you may say it's not his problem. But it's his fault. And without us, what is cricket? I'll tell you what, it's a minority sport like Aussie Rules or Kabbadi. It's nothing at all.

So I can accept Amir may deserve his second chance but I do not believe it is in cricket's best interests.

I think if he makes it back he's going to be one of the most unlikely to be influenced in international cricket. Mind you that's not really a product of his repentance or whatever, but mainly because no sane bookie will ever try to get near him.

 

[the big bambino]

His talent is irrelevant to the argument.

His age might provide some mitigation.

The 'corrupt culture' in regards to this situation is a myth if (and I'm happy to accept it) what the person I spoke to said is true, he was instructed what to do if approached in such a way. I have been told by current English FC players the form this guidance takes is strong and very clear.

You may not think it should influence but his talent means he will have important people backing his return bcos they want to exploit that talent. His age and the culture he found himself in are very relevant and would be far greater influence than any occasional memo read to him from whatever authourity gave lip service to it.

 

[mr_mister]

It'l be hilarious when Amir bowls a no-ball but it won't be suspicious IMO

 

[Jono]

Lol @ someone even trying to argue nepotism is in the same league as spot fixing. Come on now. One is annoyingly and unethical, the other is downright illegal.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I think if he makes it back he's going to be one of the most unlikely to be influenced in international cricket. Mind you that's not really a product of his repentance or whatever, but mainly because no sane bookie will ever try to get near him.

Or maybe that's what Amir and the bookies want to you think.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

After Imran Farhat of course

How could you forget Big Nas

 

[r3alist]

There is an impact from what Amir did, he allowed a bookie to defraud people of their money and Amir got some of that money by bowling the no ball. In effect he stole money from people betting on the game.

Illegal underground bookie types right?

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Swann putting the boot in on TMS. Says it doesn't matter if he was 18 or 28 he should be banned for life.

 

[RossTaylorsBox]

Not surprising considering he works for a gambling organization.

 

[hendrix]

Swann is Vaughan-lite.

 

[Jono]

Not surprising considering he works for a gambling organization.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

If I remember correctly, no bets were placed, so no one lost their money.

 

[G.I.Joe]

People paid to watch a legit game.

 

[mr_mister]

oh great Graeme Swann has an opinion. Lets listen to that

 

[Agent Nationaux]

People paid to watch a legit game.

They got a legit game, minus a few no balls.