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Who would you rather have come in at No. 6 for your team with 15 overs to go?

4 down, 15 to go, who comes in?

  • Player A

    Votes: 4 26.7%
  • Player B

    Votes: 11 73.3%

  • Total voters
    15

AndyZaltzHair

Hall of Fame Member
John "Sixer Machine" Hastings is sitting in the dugout. I have to hit and hit big or get out otherwise the machine won't be able to get as many deliveries to run the generator.

#baileythoughts
 

RossTaylorsBox

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yeah I watched the whole innings. Bailey's SR would have been fine if he was feeding the strike to Maxwell, Marsh, Wade et al. But he seemed to be faffing around to me.

Another thing I think that's underappreciated is the degree to which a dot ball is a win for the bowler in ODI cricket. If a run a ball can be said to be standard, a dot ball is as good for the bowler as two runs is for the batsman.
Totally, I think some adjusted measure of strike rate would be useful, like using balls scored off/balls rather than runs/balls. Arguably a batsman is more valuable getting six singles rather than a four and a two.
 

TheJediBrah

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Yeah right Bailey should have gone mad with 30/3 and more so when his partner was scoring at his will and keeping up the scoreboard too. Nobody has to anchor the innings. Everyone should go lalaland for the marshmellows and become Charlie in the chocolate factory.
Your missing the point. Bailey was on like 35 of 45 or something like that then fell in a heap and couldn't score for the second half of innings, exactly when Australia needed him to get going, ie. when Maxwell got out.
 

kiwiviktor81

International Debutant
Totally, I think some adjusted measure of strike rate would be useful, like using balls scored off/balls rather than runs/balls. Arguably a batsman is more valuable getting six singles rather than a four and a two.
Perhaps average runs scored while the batsman is at the crease, divided by balls delivered while batsman was at the crease, ought to be a factor? This would account for players who are feeding strike to a hitter at the other end.
 
Maybe, the only problem is that it's heavily partner-dependent.
Maybe 6>6?

When I learned maths 6 = 6.

Its not just heavily partner dependent - its both bowlers dependent and further dependant on who those bowlers are replaced by and which end the batsman would have been at - that the partner could score more off that particular bowler than he is scoring off the other bowlers and then not have been at the other end of the crease when that bowler was replaced to have scored more off him.

Its ridiculous as a general proposition. It would be circumstantial at best averaged out by the times when it is not beneficial due to the bowlers.

6 runs equals 6 runs.
 
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kiwiviktor81

International Debutant
Maybe, the only problem is that it's heavily partner-dependent.
That's the good thing though - batsmen bat in partnerships, after all.

More partnership stats would be interesting in general, I think. I expect the Williamson-Taylor partnership records will be close to ATG status by the time Taylor retires.
 

kiwiviktor81

International Debutant
Arguably 6 > 6?

What are you smoking?

I bet that seemed logical to you. "Well he's rotating the strike to the other batsmen - its worth more."
It makes sense though. If you can score at a run a ball, and the guy at the other end scores at two runs a ball, then your team is doing better the fewer balls you face and the more singles you get.
 

RossTaylorsBox

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yeah, it's a reasonable stat for individual partnerships (openers especially), but I think it would be hard to compare it over different players.
 

AndyZaltzHair

Hall of Fame Member
Your missing the point. Bailey was on like 35 of 45 or something like that then fell in a heap and couldn't score for the second half of innings, exactly when Australia needed him to get going, ie. when Maxwell got out.
On the contrary, he had to stay there even if he consumed few. It's giving yourself a chance to explode when time permits or holding one end up with explosion from the other side. When Maxi got out, Bailey could not afford to throw away his wicket. Always a possibility of collapse in a heap in that situation. The situation did not dictate him to try risking it. Moeen was bowling well too. His pitchmap showed it in the analysis.
 
It makes sense though. If you can score at a run a ball, and the guy at the other end scores at two runs a ball, then your team is doing better the fewer balls you face and the more singles you get.
He is still facing 6 balls per 6 runs. How is the other batsman getting any more strike and increase his own batting average (or sum run scoring) than he would otherwise get for this to be benficial? Overs get called. He will score some singles. And then he will often get out at an earlier stage in the match (as you well know) because he has faced his amount of balls for a completed innings. His own batting does not improve by virtue that the batsman at the other end hits singles and not fours.

Rotating the strike is part of the game for run scoring accumulation - but the higher SR needs more of the strike for this to be beneficial and to actually score from it.

The individual contribution of that batsman is the same 6 runs off 6 balls. The scorecard tallies all the batsmen. Two higher SR players will score more quickly than a single high SR player.

Keep thinking macro Vik.
 
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When Maxi got out, Bailey could not afford to throw away his wicket. Always a possibility of collapse in a heap in that situation. The situation did not dictate him to try risking it.
Who asked for Bailey to throw his wicket away? Collapse? Dictate risk? He slowed down to score at a SR of 57 when Australia were 170/4 - 200/4.
 
Yeah Bailey did slow down at the wrong time imo. The assumption that Bevan used to make the same mistake is false.
Noone is making that assumption that Bevan scored fast at the start of an innings and then slowed down as a general proposition.

I believe that people are looking at the total runs off total balls [75(110)] for a 'Bevanesque' innings comparison. Whether typical Bevanesque' innings runs were top heavy, evenly balanced or bottom heavy appears irrelevant to the team total and not assumed by anyone.
 

AndyZaltzHair

Hall of Fame Member
There are phases in the whole innings where batsmen get bogged down for one reason or the other. Bailey's one looks bad because he got out after slowing it down. Morgan was striking at like what 70 at one stage. He accelerated and put England in a winning position later. Same goes for Taylor in the last match. He slowed down in the middle. These breaks happen. It's wrong to blame the loss on Bailey.
 
It's wrong to blame the loss on Bailey.
Noone is blaming him solely for the loss. This is a macro question of run scoring maximisation and SR - not a micro question on finding the sole and only reason why Australia lost last night in particular. Bailey's career average SR is much better than Bevan's or last nights innings.

But on last night's form, I bet Australia is grateful that he didn't score a 100 and Australia only score 250 and lose a lot earlier.
 
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